Greetings Paddlers - John Winters wrote [on WaveLength]: >The shift of people and the nature of their posts may change WaveLength but >I don't think it will necessarily hurt it. Agreed. This whole debacle might in fact be an opportunity for an evolutionary change in the function and content of the WaveLength mailing list. First of all, it does not make much sense to me to have two separate mailing lists with such high redundancy in their respective mandates *. How long will people continue to want to maintain their presence and keep up with [potentially the same] mail from two identical lists? Geez, the topics can be redundant enough in the SAME mailing list, don't ya find? Knowing what's been covered in one forum but not the other is going to be a make-work project for subscribers in data tracking. Could be a real headache. Anyway, the deed is done and we have two mailing lists. How can we make the best of this wealth of information processing power? One strategy might be to diversify in the following way: PaddleWise becomes the 'mainstream' paddling mailing list, moderated as necessary but unaffiliated. All current WaveLength subscribers join PaddleWise to discuss any and all topics related to paddling. WaveLength becomes an auxilliary mailing list, focusing on conservation issues related to the marine, lacustrine and riverine environments (ie the paddling environment). Paddlers who are interested in staying informed (and informing others) of important environmental impacts or developments stay subscribed to the WaveLength list. WaveLength (the mailing list) becomes more closely affiliated with Wave~Length Paddling Magazine, which posts regular news bits, environmental updates and "action alerts", along with relevant articles from the magazine (safety, survival, destinations, health and first aid, etc) for open discussion and which could be carried over into PaddleWise for more general consumption. WaveLength might become a little more 'newsy' and/or event-driven, and probably have less traffic than PaddleWise. Signal-to-noise ratio is enhanced in both forums. During the transition phase, perhaps the INFO text and trailers in both lists could be modified to point people to the other list for certain information. So that's what i've been thinking about, especially over the last two marathon days, assembling the Feb/Mar issue with Alan (and noting a lot of time-critical environmental concerns in the Pacific Northwest that may be of interest to some out there). How about you? Comments? Suggestions? Other ideas? Thanks! Howard * To compare list mandates, send the commands INFO WAVELENGTH INFO PADDLEWISE to Majordomo_at_lists.intelenet.net. -----------------------------------O------------------------------- Wave~Length Paddling Magazine \ O WWW: www.wie.com/~wavenet RR#1 S-17, Gabriola, B.C. \ } Canada V0R 1X0 \--------\--------/ Ph/fax: 250-247-9789 \ wavenet_at_island.net ----------------------------------------O-------------------------- Geog. Index to Guides & Outfitters www.wie.com/~wavenet/guides.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
I think Howard has a great idea here. I have been zipping through so much email from both lists that I may have deleted responses to this post, but I don't think I did and I don't think anybody actually responded to this post. Howard has already made it clear he would actually like the content of his mailing list to be different from what it had become. He should have his way and redefine his mandate and notify everyone on the WaveLength list that the original mandate has been shifted to Jackie's list. We know Jackie might have some technical problems with her list from time to time, but we also know she will be able to overcome them, and that her list will prosper. I say let's cut Howard free right now. Keith Howard Stiff wrote: > Greetings Paddlers - > > John Winters wrote [on WaveLength]: > > >The shift of people and the nature of their posts may change WaveLength but > >I don't think it will necessarily hurt it. > > Agreed. > > This whole debacle might in fact be an opportunity for an evolutionary > change in the function and content of the WaveLength mailing list. > > First of all, it does not make much sense to me to have two > separate mailing lists with such high redundancy in their respective > mandates *. How long will people continue to want to maintain > their presence and keep up with [potentially the same] mail from > two identical lists? Geez, the topics can be redundant enough > in the SAME mailing list, don't ya find? Knowing what's been > covered in one forum but not the other is going to be a make-work > project for subscribers in data tracking. Could be a real headache. > > Anyway, the deed is done and we have two mailing lists. How can we > make the best of this wealth of information processing power? > > One strategy might be to diversify in the following way: > > PaddleWise becomes the 'mainstream' paddling mailing list, moderated as > necessary but unaffiliated. All current WaveLength subscribers join > PaddleWise to discuss any and all topics related to paddling. > > WaveLength becomes an auxilliary mailing list, focusing on conservation > issues related to the marine, lacustrine and riverine environments (ie > the paddling environment). Paddlers who are interested in staying > informed (and informing others) of important environmental impacts or > developments stay subscribed to the WaveLength list. > > WaveLength (the mailing list) becomes more closely affiliated with > Wave~Length Paddling Magazine, which posts regular news bits, > environmental > updates and "action alerts", along with relevant articles from the > magazine (safety, survival, destinations, health and first aid, etc) > for open discussion and which could be carried over into PaddleWise for > more general consumption. > > WaveLength might become a little more 'newsy' and/or event-driven, and > probably have less traffic than PaddleWise. Signal-to-noise ratio is > enhanced in both forums. > > During the transition phase, perhaps the INFO text and trailers in both > lists could be modified to point people to the other list for certain > information. > > So that's what i've been thinking about, especially over the last two > marathon days, assembling the Feb/Mar issue with Alan (and noting a lot > of time-critical environmental concerns in the Pacific Northwest that > may be of interest to some out there). > > How about you? Comments? Suggestions? Other ideas? > > Thanks! > Howard > > * To compare list mandates, send the commands > INFO WAVELENGTH > INFO PADDLEWISE > to Majordomo_at_lists.intelenet.net. > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------O------------------------------- > Wave~Length Paddling Magazine \ O WWW: www.wie.com/~wavenet > RR#1 S-17, Gabriola, B.C. \ } > Canada V0R 1X0 \--------\--------/ > Ph/fax: 250-247-9789 \ wavenet_at_island.net > ----------------------------------------O-------------------------- > Geog. Index to Guides & Outfitters www.wie.com/~wavenet/guides.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Wave~Length Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: wavelength_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: wavelength-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > World Wide Web: http://www.wie.com/~wavenet/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
> From: Keith Kaste <kkaste_at_slip.net> > I think Howard has a great idea here. I have been zipping through so much email > from both lists that I may have deleted responses to this post, but I don't think I > did and I don't think anybody actually responded to this post. Howard has already > made it clear he would actually like the content of his mailing list to be > different from what it had become. He should have his way and redefine his mandate > and notify everyone on the WaveLength list that the original mandate has been > shifted to Jackie's list. We know Jackie might have some technical problems with > her list from time to time, but we also know she will be able to overcome them, and > that her list will prosper. I say let's cut Howard free right now. > > Keith Hi Keith, Nope, no one has discussed it here. That's because PaddleWise is for the discussing paddling and not for discussing other mailing lists. So... let's stop talking about mailing lists and talk more about paddling! :-) Cheers! Jackie _ _ _ _ _ \\ / \0/ \ / \0/ \ \\ " " `\ ,sSSs,\, )\w/( ,sSS..)/{) <<..> sSSS_v)/ \ )<*> sSS[(\_]___\ <(_/_o_o_ 'sS[_`-+---+) \----+-------+-------'---`-----\-------------') ~~~~~~~ ~~jf ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~\~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ o \ o \\ o o \\ o o ` (\ o o >jf:-) o (/ o *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
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