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From: patrick.maun_at_duffy.com <patrick.maun_at_duffy.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Winter gloves for sea kayaking
Date: 05 Feb 98 10:06:37 +0000
Dan Hagen wrote:

>I have tried various types of paddling gloves.  My favorite pair by far
>is a pair of Glacier Gloves (I forget which model--they make several)
>that has strongly pre-curved fingers (this makes a huge difference) and
>raw neoprene on the outside (i.e., they do not have a nylon laminate on
>the outside).  

Shaped neoprene is great, just make sure that they are going to be
comfortable when wearing for a long time. I have a pair of neoprenes that are
fairly stiff (NRS I believe), and they are actually a bit too stiff for me,
my fingers get cramped after extended use. A friend of mine has a pair
that are shaped, but not as stiff and I find them much for comfortable.

Also, don't forget the best part about shaped neo gloves - Mexican style
wrestling grapples!

On a last note. Could everyone *please* stop cross-posting to Wavelength
and Paddlewise. Some of us really don't have time to delete duplicates all
day long. I was out for a few days and came back to over 700 messages,
primarily from Wavelength.

-Patrick


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From: Chris Hardenbrook <cghbrook_at_earthlink.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Winter gloves for sea kayaking
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:50:19 -0800
Interesting to hear people experiencing "waterlogged" neoprene gloves.
Neoprene is closed cell stuff and therefore impossible to saturate.  The
surface may become wet and even retain water in exposed cells of the
material, but it can not (as I understand it) go deeper. That is why
neoprene is used for such things as scuba suits.

Granted there is a variety of grades of neoprene, and you may encounter
*cheap* stuff that falls apart more readily than a high quality neoprene
(very stuff stuff, actually).

Here's an idea: How about neoprene gloves that are slightly large over
capilene-style liners?

                      >///:>Chris Hardenbrook<:\\\<
                 Increasingly Cloudy Southern California

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From: Dan Hagen <dhagen_at_methow.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Winter gloves for sea kayaking
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:22:24 -0800
Chris Hardenbrook wrote:

> Here's an idea: How about neoprene gloves that are slightly large over
> capilene-style liners?

I tried this once--it worked so poorly (poor paddle feel; generally
uncomfortable) that I took them off after about 15 minutes of paddling. 
Maybe I had the wrong combo, but it was so bad that I was not tempted to
experiment with other combinations of this type.  I would think that the
thin rubber gloves over thin fleece liners would work much better--I'll
soon find out. 

Dan Hagen
Bellingham, Washington
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From: Bob Denton <bob_at_dnax.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Winter gloves for sea kayaking
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:01:27 -5
> Interesting to hear people experiencing "waterlogged" neoprene gloves.
> Neoprene is closed cell stuff and therefore impossible to saturate.  The
> surface may become wet and even retain water in exposed cells of the
> material, but it can not (as I understand it) go deeper. That is why
> neoprene is used for such things as scuba suits.

Actually, neoprene will eventually absorb some moisture, although I 
wouldn't use the word saturate. In scuba diving the pressure crushes 
the material to a fraction of it's orginal size and the re-expansion 
process seems to allow some moisture to penetrate. The same may be 
the case where wet neoprene is compresses in seats, booties and maybe 
gloves.


> Granted there is a variety of grades of neoprene, and you may encounter
> *cheap* stuff that falls apart more readily than a high quality neoprene
> (very stuff stuff, actually).

The best neoprene (for diving) has a high ratio of neoprene to 
bubbles. The cheaper grades use less neoprene and more N2 which makes 
it more flexible, lighter and less durable.

> Here's an idea: How about neoprene gloves that are slightly large over
> capilene-style liners?
> 
>                       >///:>Chris Hardenbrook<:\\\<
>                  Increasingly Cloudy Southern California
> 
> 
Bob Denton
Vice President 
Undersea Breathing Systems
bob_at_dnax.com
http://www.dnax.com
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