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From: Keith Kaste <kkaste_at_slip.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] flooded boat
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:57:19 -0800
    I was paddling out on Tomales Bay this past Sunday.    There was
some wind, some white caps, quite normal.  I put in at Heart's Desire
beach.  What I didn't realize is that I didn't secure the front hatch.
Things started getting weird by the time I made it to the eastern
shore.  I didn't land, but decided to push back to the launch site.  The
bow kept getting lower and lower in the water.  It was a little sluggish
and hard to manuever, but I never felt I was in big danger.  I thought,
"Wow, what if the front compartment completely filled with water?  Would
I be prepared for that?  What would that be like?"  When I got back to
shore I opened the hatch and found that in fact the front compartment
*was* completely filled with water.  I'm thinking it might be good to go
through this as an exercise with all my boats:  learn what it is like to
try to handle them with either the forward or rear compartment flooded.
If flooding a compartment leads to potentially disasterous results maybe
that compartment is better off with a flotation bag in it.

BTW, I'm still working on the summary listing of everyone's boats.  I've
got close to 100 boats so far.  Sorry it's taking so long.

Keith Kaste

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From: Craig Olson <craigo_at_az.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] flooded boat
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:56:39 -0800
Keith Kaste wrote:

>     I was paddling out on Tomales Bay this past Sunday.    <snip>
> When I got back to  shore I opened the hatch and found that in fact the front
compartment
> *was* completely filled with water.  <snip>
> If flooding a compartment leads to potentially disasterous results maybe
> that compartment is better off with a flotation bag in it.

This may sound like overkill to some paddlers, but I've learned the hard way that
"flotation" does not simply mean having water-tight hatches.  Sad but true, hulls
can be cracked or breached on reefs or unseen rocks, and it's *really* a good idea
to have secured flotation *inside* your hull.  This means carrying inflated dry-bags
bow & stern on day trips, and having inflatable gear bags for multi-day trips.  All
bags tied in to the boat.  Since getting them, I've never actually needed the extra
safety of "inside-the-hull" flotation, but I feel better knowing I have the
secondary system, just in case.

Craig Olson
Bellingham, Washington
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From: Wayne Langmaid <langer_at_terrigal.net.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] flooded boat - Gear all over the place
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:17:57 +1500
G'day all -

It of course depends on where you intend to be paddling which may
determine the level of additional floatation required in your boat or,
how secure you wish your gear to be in the boat.

I strongly agree, from experience, with Craig on this particular point -

There are few things more disappointing than, after having broken the
complete bow off of you kayak in a very narrow gutter along a rock
ledge, than watching several hundred dollars worth of gear either
sinking to the bottom or floating off into the back of the gutter to be
pummelled and broken into little pieces of flotsam.  Never to be seen
again.

Even worse is having to withstand the "hindsight" analysis of all your
mates on the myriad of things they would have done differently had they
been in the same situation.  A very sad, ego crushing experience - I can
understand why some Captains choose to go down with their ship.  To
avoid their mates cheeky comments. :)

Regards -

Wayne Langmaid


Craig Olson wrote:

> Snip
>
> This may sound like overkill to some paddlers, but I've learned the
> hard way that
> "flotation" does not simply mean having water-tight hatches.  Sad but
> true, hulls
> can be cracked or breached on reefs or unseen rocks, and it's *really*
> a good idea
> to have secured flotation *inside* your hull.  This means carrying
> inflated dry-bags
> bow & stern on day trips, and having inflatable gear bags for
> multi-day trips.  All
> bags tied in to the boat.  Since getting them, I've never actually
> needed the extra
> safety of "inside-the-hull" flotation, but I feel better knowing I
> have the
> secondary system, just in case.



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