At 10:33 AM 3/2/98 -5, you wrote: >I use the Standard VHF..5 watts, waterproof and $199. > >One expression in amateur radio is a dime on the antenna is worth a >dollar on the radio. The rubber duckies used on VHF radios are >usually terrible, and evena simple wire antenna hung froma tree would >make a dramatic difference. I'd suggest a Jpole or dipole (made from >TV twin lead ) cut for around 160Mhz. > > There's a lot of discussion flying about in this group about rubber ducks, ham sticks, J-pole/Di-pole, ground plane, Mhz. . . and radios. Rubber ducks is what you try when you don't want to use a condom. Ham sticks are like beef sticks. . . only more fat and cholesterol. I'm assuming that a J-pole is a Polish bird species, and a Di-pole would be a Polish fan of the late princess. Ground plane has gotta be like an airplane only safer--either that or chopped liver with no frills. And hertz is what happens when you drop the kayak on your bare feet, so Mega-hertz would be like getting struck by a car. . . My French is pretty fair, and my Latin will get me through most episodes of "Peoples Court." But this radio stuff has got me all Verschimmeinlich. How about some of you radio types broadcasting on a band-width I can receive??? Over and out, Geo. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Geo. Bergeron wrote: (In response to the following:) > >One expression in amateur radio is a dime on the antenna is worth a > >dollar on the radio. The rubber duckies used on VHF radios are > >usually terrible, and evena simple wire antenna hung from a tree would > >make a dramatic difference. I'd suggest a Jpole or dipole (made from > >TV twin lead ) cut for around 160Mhz. > There's a lot of discussion flying about in this group about rubber > ducks, ham sticks, J-pole/Di-pole, ground plane, Mhz. . . and radios. [snip] > But this radio stuff has got me all Verschimmeinlich. How about some of you > radio types broadcasting on a band-width I can receive??? I'm with George on this one. All this sexy stuff the HAM's on this list describe needs translation into the practical realm of a salt water-inundated, mobile VHF unit environment. Here is what would help me: 1. Reports from people who have been able to substantiate the range of the universally available 5W hand-held rubber ducky-antenna-equipped VHF marine radio. (This is the type of unit 90% of VHF-equipped sea kayakers own and use. Antenna modifications (even a telescoping whip) are a liability on the water, owing to the strong likelihood salt water will enter the radio and ruin it, unless the unit is completely enclosed in a *durable* plastic shroud.) So who has tested these things *in the field* under the conditions sea kayakers would use a VHF? A. In the yak, on the water, from yak-to-yak? B. In the yak, from a yak to a power boat using the standard 8-foot mast? C. On the beach, standing up, to either a yak on the water or a power boat with the 8-foot mast? D. On the beach, standing up, to another similarly located and equipped VHF'er? 2. Reports from people who have broadcast FROM THE BEACH using *simple-to-buy* (or simple-to-make), durable, *radio-safe* antenna variations which can extend the radio's range *significantly* -- the kind of use a "pinned down" group might make to let the USCG or the person holding their float plan know they are safe (or, have an injured party member needing medical evacuation). As my contribution: 1. A: best I can document is about 3 miles, with some landform interference in my line-of-sight to the other yak. (I've had other times when I could not raise someone who was about 4 miles away.) 1. B. No experience. 1. C. I've gotten my 3W unit to make a usable, slightly broken transmission about 8 miles across mostly open water to a *land-based* 8-ft mast. 1. D. I've gotten my 3W unit to make a usable transmission 4.5 miles across mostly open water (with only one 150 ft-tall intervening ridgelet). The other guy had a 5W unit, and we agreed later the receptions were basically equivalent. Another time, we tested 5W and 3W units, standing up, across a bay, and found good, usable transmissions at 3 and 5 miles, but NOTHING at 7 miles. That surprised us. (We tried a whip on the 3W unit. It did not change this -- we could not document any improvement in transmission with the whip.) 2. I got no detectable improvement *in transmissions* using a whip adjusted to a length apropos for the marine VHF band. I was warned, by the highly-regarded marine radio shop from which I bought my ICOM, that an incorrect antena configuration could *damage the radio.* I own a commercially-made dipole on a 6-foot piece of coax which can be tuned to the marine VHF band, and hung vertically from a tree (or paddle, etc.). I think this should improve performance, but have not been able to test it yet. A ham sent me some terrific plans for a "narrow beam" antenna I'd like to try out, but that will have to wait. Others? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: > ...Antenna modifications (even a telescoping whip) > are a liability on the water, owing to the strong likelihood salt water > will enter the radio and ruin it, unless the unit is completely enclosed > in a *durable* plastic shroud.) The antennas supplied with most radios attach via a BNC connector which is not a watertight fitting. If the radio is waterproof with the supplied duckie, it'll be waterproof with any other antenna. > 2. I got no detectable improvement *in transmissions* using a whip > adjusted to a length apropos for the marine VHF band. How did you measure this? You can't go on percieved strength of the received signal since FM tends to be all-or-nothing over a wide range of signal strength. You need to either measure the strength of the received signal or do a range test over unobstructed ground or water. > I was warned, by > the highly-regarded marine radio shop from which I bought my ICOM, that > an incorrect antena configuration could *damage the radio.* I own a > commercially-made dipole on a 6-foot piece of coax which can be tuned to > the marine VHF band, and hung vertically from a tree (or paddle, etc.). > I think this should improve performance, but have not been able to test > it yet. A ham sent me some terrific plans for a "narrow beam" antenna > I'd like to try out, but that will have to wait. Narrow beam aka high gain antennas aren't a good choice for seaborne use unless you're in an actively stabilized boat ;-) The antenna must be properly oriented to take advantage of the narrow radiation pattern. A simple whip can be made from a BNC connector, a length of music wire and a plastic bead to protect one's self from the pointy end. It *will* have a great advantage over a rubber duck; duckies are very lossy and can have less than ten percent of the efficiency of a simple whip. A half-wave marine antenna mounted on the deck will have even better efficiency. The advantage of a duck is that it's compact and not in the way if your radio is clipped to your PFD. But if you're in the water holding your radio in your hand just above the water you're not going to have much useful range anyways. Then again, from reading Ralph's writings on navigating in traffic the single best use of a hand-held marine radio might for short range transmissions. "Calling BEHEAMOTH! There is a small, flimsy kayak DEAD AHEAD of you!!!!!" The marine shop that gave you the warning about damaging the radio is not really correct. Typical modern radios have foldback protection that limits output into an improper termination. You can't make a hand-held radio otherwise, since a few inches movement of the radio near the body results in gross differences in the actual impeadance of the antenna system, which is to say you're always transmittting into a mistuned antenna system. Another reason why getting the antenna away from the paddler helps. I don't have a VHF marine radio so all my testing has been with amateur VHF, but the physics are the same. -- Michael Edelman http://www.mich.com/~mje Telescope guide: http://www.mich.com/~mje/scope.html Folding Kayaks: http://www.mich.com/~mje/kayak.html Airguns: http://www.mich.com/~mje/airguns.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Not true. A number of marine radios DONT use BNC connectors which is why they are waterproof. cya > Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:37:45 -0600 > From: Michael J Edelman <mje_at_mich.com> > Organization: Muppet Labs > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Roger, Wilco. . . > The antennas supplied with most radios attach via a BNC connector which is not a > watertight fitting. If the radio is waterproof with the supplied duckie, it'll be > waterproof with any other antenna. > Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:02 PM 3/4/98 +00-05, Bob Denton wrote: >Not true. A number of marine radios DONT use BNC connectors which is >why they are waterproof. > >cya Hi y'all, Both my Yeasu [FT-50r] and my Standard use a screw mount that is called... "?????" [can't remember] It looks as though the mount relies upon a physical seal between the outside [rubber] of the antenna and the radio proper, for a water-tite connection. I did purchase a BNC to "????" adaptor when I bought the Yeasu, and in the instances that Dave K. discusses [emergency commmunication on land in the wilderness]. An adaptor like this, and the makings for a wire antenna of some sort might be a good addition to that list of emergency equipment. Is amateur radio an appropriate topic for the list? Dunno. I do know that when paddling on some "cricks" in MI, alone, near the prison, etc... I really liked having a reliable 2 meter HT available. Heck, I like having one available anywhere. I *HAD* a cell phone, but I ran into problems with coverage, with frequency of use, and of course COST. It took me [seriously] 14 days, 1/2 hour per day of browsing through a $10 book I bought at Radio Shack, to learn enough to pass the "No-Code Technician Class" license exam. It has proven to be worth the small investment in time. I'm rambling again, must be time for coffee... Take care, > > >> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:37:45 -0600 >> From: Michael J Edelman <mje_at_mich.com> >> Organization: Muppet Labs >> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Roger, Wilco. . . > >> The antennas supplied with most radios attach via a BNC connector which is not a >> watertight fitting. If the radio is waterproof with the supplied duckie, it'll be >> waterproof with any other antenna. >> >Bob Denton >Vice President >Undersea Breathing Systems >bob_at_dnax.com >http://www.dnax.com >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > Tom Weese Kirkland, Wa. Three left turns often make a right... <http://www.isomedia.com/homes/gadfly/> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Actually, you raise a good point. It's very easy these days to get a basic ham ticket and very useful. There are no code requirements. The information aquired during the process is very useful for anyone using radio communications. One of the advantages we hams have is the national repeater network. Generally, we dont use VHF for point to point communications (good for up to a few miles on a hand held), but we communicate with repeaters which then forward our audio in real time to other hams. The repeater receives the signal on one frequency and rebroadcasts it on another using high power, usually 100s of watts) and tall antennas. The repeaters can have a range of up to 100s of miles (mountain tops) and often have 911 service and phone patches. There are thousands of repeaters throughout the US..world wide infact. The repeater I use here in florida is maintained by the Motorola Radio Club, but others may be supported by private clubs or even individuals. The Gorden West "No Code Tech" book available at Radio Shark is excellent.. And morse, even though no longer an official requirement by many marine services, is still known and it's easy to signal with almost anything if you know code. cya W2PN > > It took me [seriously] 14 days, 1/2 hour per day of browsing through a > $10 book I bought at Radio Shack, to learn enough to pass the "No-Code > Technician Class" license exam. It has proven to be worth the small > investment in time. > > I'm rambling again, must be time for coffee... > > Take care, > > > Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Michael J Edelman wrote: [many snips] > Narrow beam aka high gain antennas aren't a good choice for seaborne use unless > you're in an actively stabilized boat ;-) The antenna must be properly oriented to > take advantage of the narrow radiation pattern. > > A simple whip can be made from a BNC connector, a length of music wire and a > plastic bead to protect one's self from the pointy end. It *will* have a great > advantage over a rubber duck; duckies are very lossy and can have less than ten > percent of the efficiency of a simple whip. A half-wave marine antenna mounted on > the deck will have even better efficiency. Many thanks to Michael, Bob Denton, Phil Wylie's buddy, and the others who responded to my plea for documented ranges for transmitter capabilities using various "enhancements" of the basic handheld marine VHF radio. Their ideas are fodder for more testing, I believe. I think we need field testing of the range achievable with some of the various antenna configurations suggested. If I can get my ham buddy interested in tuning some antenna mods to optimize their fit to my VHF, I think I'll go back to my "test bay" and repeat some of the range testing I did two/three years ago. Here's my short list. Please email me (not the list) with suggestions for other configurations and/or ways to do the testing. 1. Off-the-shelf OEM rubber ducky -- what came with the radio. 2. Simple dipole suspended vertically (from a tree), coaxed to the VHF. 3. Quarter-wave whip. (Or, should this be a half-wave whip?) 4. Simple (4 element?) directional antenna (a YAGI?), coaxed to the VHF. Thanks. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
One issue with VHF is that you want the signal to travel horizontally, not vertically. The more energy you can direct at the horizon and the less at the sky, the more effective your radio becomes. The higher gain antennas change the signal pattern from a dome to more of a pancake pattern. The right antenna can make 5 watts on a duckie sound like 1000 watts to a distant station. The same benefits apply on the receive end as well. A telescoping whip isn't necessairly going to provide a noticible improvement over a rubber duckie. You'd have to set the length using an SWR meter and then it will only be marginally better then a 1/4 wave RD and probably no where as good as a 5/8 duckie. BTW, I have talked to Europe using 0.5 watts... but the antenna was 66 feet wide and 88 feet long... cya Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: > > Geo. Bergeron wrote: > > (In response to the following:) > > > >One expression in amateur radio is a dime on the antenna is worth a > > >dollar on the radio. The rubber duckies used on VHF radios are > > >usually terrible, and evena simple wire antenna hung from a tree would > > >make a dramatic difference. I'd suggest a Jpole or dipole (made from > > >TV twin lead ) cut for around 160Mhz. > > > There's a lot of discussion flying about in this group about rubber > > ducks, ham sticks, J-pole/Di-pole, ground plane, Mhz. . . and radios. [snip] > > But this radio stuff has got me all Verschimmeinlich. How about some of you > > radio types broadcasting on a band-width I can receive??? > > I'm with George on this one. All this sexy stuff the HAM's on this list > describe needs translation into the practical realm of a salt > water-inundated, mobile VHF unit environment. Here is what would help > me: > > 1. Reports from people who have been able to substantiate the range of > the universally available 5W hand-held rubber ducky-antenna-equipped VHF > marine radio. (This is the type of unit 90% of VHF-equipped sea > kayakers own and use. Antenna modifications (even a telescoping whip) > are a liability on the water, owing to the strong likelihood salt water > will enter the radio and ruin it, unless the unit is completely enclosed > in a *durable* plastic shroud.) So who has tested these things *in the > field* under the conditions sea kayakers would use a VHF? > > A. In the yak, on the water, from yak-to-yak? > > B. In the yak, from a yak to a power boat using the standard 8-foot > mast? > > C. On the beach, standing up, to either a yak on the water or a power > boat with the 8-foot mast? > > D. On the beach, standing up, to another similarly located and equipped > VHF'er? > > 2. Reports from people who have broadcast FROM THE BEACH using > *simple-to-buy* (or simple-to-make), durable, *radio-safe* antenna > variations which can extend the radio's range *significantly* -- the > kind of use a "pinned down" group might make to let the USCG or the > person holding their float plan know they are safe (or, have an injured > party member needing medical evacuation). > > As my contribution: > > 1. A: best I can document is about 3 miles, with some landform > interference in my line-of-sight to the other yak. (I've had other times > when I could not raise someone who was about 4 miles away.) > > 1. B. No experience. > > 1. C. I've gotten my 3W unit to make a usable, slightly broken > transmission about 8 miles across mostly open water to a *land-based* > 8-ft mast. > > 1. D. I've gotten my 3W unit to make a usable transmission 4.5 miles > across mostly open water (with only one 150 ft-tall intervening > ridgelet). The other guy had a 5W unit, and we agreed later the > receptions were basically equivalent. Another time, we tested 5W and 3W > units, standing up, across a bay, and found good, usable transmissions > at 3 and 5 miles, but NOTHING at 7 miles. That surprised us. (We tried > a whip on the 3W unit. It did not change this -- we could not document > any improvement in transmission with the whip.) > > 2. I got no detectable improvement *in transmissions* using a whip > adjusted to a length apropos for the marine VHF band. I was warned, by > the highly-regarded marine radio shop from which I bought my ICOM, that > an incorrect antena configuration could *damage the radio.* I own a > commercially-made dipole on a 6-foot piece of coax which can be tuned to > the marine VHF band, and hung vertically from a tree (or paddle, etc.). > I think this should improve performance, but have not been able to test > it yet. A ham sent me some terrific plans for a "narrow beam" antenna > I'd like to try out, but that will have to wait. > > Others? > -- > Dave Kruger > Astoria, OR > There is just a SMALL problem with what you have said. Unless I'm the only one out here that doesn't paddle on salt water, and is "still" trying to figure out how to get his rubber ducky equimped(sp?) marine VHF to talk over 3 or 4 miles on a regular basis, I think there is a lot that can be said and covered on radio and antenna's. If you speak for the rest of this group then I hope you have fun with all your experments with the rubber ducks, marine VHF, and cell phones! I think "ALL" have a place, but lets be reasonable, there is a limit to each and talking about other ways should not stir up so much negative responces.. HAM radio may not be for everybody, but the fact of the mater is that the HAMS have a network (an umbrella if you will), that works when NOTHING else does! We take great pride in being there during times of emergency when all the phone lines are down, etc. Helping out is the name of the game then! If you don't believe it, grab a HAM and take him out for a trip(hey may even convert someone to kayaking).You will be supprised at how far out on the water you can bring up HAM repeaters or even talk direct(other HAMs have high gain antenna's and LOVE proving it!). As was mentioned by Bob, most repeaters also have phone patch(you can call the CG, police, your wife, etc), and as Michael remarked, the so called "no code" license is easy enough to get(if you study), that anybody can get it and it gives you axcess to VHF, UHF(lets just say everything a kayaker would want)! The point is...., I live inland(New Mexico),and still like to see what other kayakers are doing. I think there is room for all of us to share a bit with each other, no mater where we are, what we paddle(if we spell good):>), or EVEN if we just happen to understand the "468 rule", or NOT!! Hope I didn't offend anyone, maybe open an eye...ok, as I've always said" we can all carry matches but only through practice and UNDERSTANDING of what makes fire, can we stay warm at night" End of speech!! James *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Michael J Edelman wrote: >Narrow beam aka high gain antennas aren't a good choice for seaborne use unless >you're in an actively stabilized boat ;-) The antenna must be properly >oriented to >take advantage of the narrow radiation pattern. > >A simple whip can be made from a BNC connector, a length of music wire and a >plastic bead to protect one's self from the pointy end. It *will* have a great >advantage over a rubber duck; duckies are very lossy and can have less than ten >percent of the efficiency of a simple whip. A half-wave marine antenna >mounted on >the deck will have even better efficiency. What about collapsible antennas that can be unpacked and used in camp. My main concerns with radios is picking up the weather forecast. This is actually quite difficult on Superior, at least with the crap I've been using. I have heard positive reports on the Standard HX255S and the Icom M1 though (thanks Sarah and Chuck). Can't I do the old TV trick of spreading some wire all over the place, hooking it up the the radio and hope it picks something up? OK, that last statement revealed my ignorance of radio waves and how they work, but you see where I am getting at, right? Also, has anyone used the new Uniden HH-940? OK, that's a 10-4 good buddy, over and out. -Patrick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
A Jpole antenna made from TV twin lead and a few dollars woth of connectors will do a great job. It will fit in your pocket and give you superior performance when hung from a tree. cya > Michael J Edelman wrote: > >Narrow beam aka high gain antennas aren't a good choice for seaborne use > unless > >you're in an actively stabilized boat ;-) The antenna must be properly > >oriented to > >take advantage of the narrow radiation pattern. > > > >A simple whip can be made from a BNC connector, a length of music wire > and a > >plastic bead to protect one's self from the pointy end. It *will* have a > great > >advantage over a rubber duck; duckies are very lossy and can have less > than ten > >percent of the efficiency of a simple whip. A half-wave marine antenna > >mounted on > >the deck will have even better efficiency. > > What about collapsible antennas that can be unpacked and used in camp. My > main concerns with radios is picking up the weather forecast. This is > actually quite difficult on Superior, at least with the crap I've been using. > I have heard positive reports on the Standard HX255S and the Icom M1 > though (thanks Sarah and Chuck). Can't I do the old TV trick of spreading > some wire all over the place, hooking it up the the radio and hope it picks > something up? OK, that last statement revealed my ignorance of radio waves > and how they work, but you see where I am getting at, right? > > Also, has anyone used the new Uniden HH-940? > > OK, that's a 10-4 good buddy, over and out. > > -Patrick > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** > > Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Very good discussion regarding communications on water. One thing being left out is *how* to make that communication. If you are on CB radio it is acceptable to use their code communication system to abbreviate certain questions and responses with your *good buddies*. Saying "Ten-Four" is the same as "Affirmative"; "What's your Ten-Twenty" asks your location, etc. It is, however, not good form to use this language when on VHF radio. Although there is no longer a requirement to possess a station permit or operator's license for VHF marine or aviation frequencies (in the USofA), be aware they are serious items and not to be confused with walkie-talkies and should not be used as such. Certain channels are used for specific purposes, and random chatter about non-essential stuff can interfere with the communications for which these channels were intended (sometimes a life may hang in the balance). It is generally *ok* to find an *empty* channel for personal communications about the fish that got away, although you better be sure it really is an empty channel and not one of the commercial fishing channels (frequently silent but always monitored). As Patrick no doubt knows, and was no doubt making fun, "Over and Out" shows absolute amateurism. You are either Over or Out and should know the difference :-) >///:>Chris Hardenbrook<:\\\< Very Sunny Bright Beautiful Southern California patrick.maun_at_duffy.com wrote: > <SNIP> > > OK, that's a 10-4 good buddy, over and out. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 98-03-07 11:28:19 EST, cghbrook_at_earthlink.net writes: << If you are on CB radio it is acceptable to use their code communication system to abbreviate certain questions and responses with your *good buddies*. Saying "Ten-Four" is the same as "Affirmative"; >> Just to let you know the term "good buddie" refers to a homosexual radio user. It used to mean "good buddie" was the operator at the other end of the line, now it means you are identifiying yourself as a good *buddie*. Be careful out there! :) Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Gee, George -- I know a lot of our high school students can't identify our states on the map by their outlines, the names have to be there for them to know Kansas from Illinois, for instance. But I had no idea we were confused about national boundries. So...(pulling down a wall map and rapping on the board with a long pointy pointer)...Baja California is part of Mexico. It is a state of Mexico, and geographically a peninsula, joined with the major part of Mexico at the top, and separated from "mainland" Mexico's western coast by the Sea of Cortez. As for the radio lingo...I've had great fun, too. At a small airport in low desert Southern California where there was a lot of sailplane and sport jumping activity, we generally discouraged pilots who were unfamiliar with the area to attempt landing and sightseeing. When asked for permission to land, however, we couldn't refuse them, so after giving the active runway and wind conditions, we informed them they were "queer to land". True, Southern California around L.A. is full of traffic, smog, road rage, phony people, and just about everything else that is a contributing factor to the decline of culture and general civility in our great nation. The same is true of many other cosmopolitan areas across the country. Unlike them, however, within an hour's drive of Los Angeles there are spectacular sections of scenery and seclusion. Very few other cities have the variety of envirnoments available so close at hand. Right now, for instance, I could go to a beach and enjoy a clear warm paddling day, or go into the mountains and ski or snowboard, or go to the desert and check out the early wildflowers. I will not, however, be living here forever. The fact remains, you do have to make an effort to escape the everyday badness. I wonder if mud and rednecks are worse than earthquakes and cellphones? >///:>Chris Hardenbrook<:\\\< Sunny Southern California Geo. Bergeron wrote: > At 12:02 PM 3/8/98 -0800, you wrote: > Yeah but I'm serious. Is the Baja Penisula part of Mexico or part of > Californa? I'm not talking social convention here. I'm talking political > boundaries. > > And we used "Roger Dodger" a lot on the Army radios. . . along with > "that's a furniture" and "negatron" . . . pissed off the generals really bad. > > What I remember about Southern California is freeways and parking > lots. . . smog. Of course what I think of when I think about Oregon is mud, > rain, rednecks. > > Over and out. . . Geo. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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