> I have not heard back from the Givens life raft people. Their web site > is > worth looking at. I really like the concept and think it would work > but > What's their address? www.givens.com returns wwwl.infi.net which appears to be an ISP. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Kirk wrote; (SNIP of Clyde's comments and questions) > > >My thought was that instead of having an air filled sponson on each >side of the boat utilize something similar to the water pockets on >the bottom of a rescue raft. My initial thought was to build a pair >of "water pockets", along the lines of a 3 foot long funnel, with a wide >top and a narrow lower end, then add a few weights to the narrow end >so that the "water pocket" hung vertically in the water. Then I thought >this would work better if the water pockets could be deployed a couple >feet from the boat - hence the 6 foot pole. > >So instead of having sponsons adjacent to the boat resisting a tip over >by way of an air bladder, a tip over would be resisted by the weight >of the water in the "water pockets" deployed parallel to the boat. > I have not heard back from the Givens life raft people. Their web site is worth looking at. I really like the concept and think it would work but have not seen one of their rafts in action. Time to bug them again for response I guess. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Clyde wrote: > ... > What's their address? www.givens.com returns wwwl.infi.net > which appears to be an ISP. Here's the URL for the raft. The animated GIF of the raft flipping is pretty cool. http://www.givensliferafts.com/graphics_plus/raft.html Dan Hagen Bellingham, Washington *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:54:08 "Sisler, Clyde" wrote: > > I was wondering what I'd do if, while paddling alone, I > > capsized, was unable to roll back up or couldn't get back in using a > > paddle float or other method because of weather or physical conditions. > > It's time for "sponson man". > > Actually I bought a set last year for just this reason, but with > all the sponson noise going on in rbp at the time, I was afraid to admit > it :-) Dear Clyde: I posted nearly 500 safety items to rec.boats.paddle in 5 months, establishing a Guiness record for the category. That newsgroup had an average 15-20% post focus on safety, for the duration. To get a sense of my foray into RBP: use Infoseek to search "sea kayak safety", choose "usenet newsgroups" when you type "sea kayak safety", click on SEEK. My first 40 posts and others, for comparison, are interesting regarding "common sense." (See web later for "sponsons revisited" on p.1, "Take me to the Top..."--"sea kayak safety"--Infoseek). Take care, Tim. So as you will note in my posts, I favour devices over the skills, which can easily disappear under unforeseen weather changes, illness or injury to oneself or a group member. Thanks, Tim Dear Clyde: Too bad John Winters and others require me to protect the public. He actually thinks the roll is reliable public safety. He doesn't realize that the paddlefloat was invented due to roll unreliability. Unfortunately the paddlefloat leaves one without a paddle in the same capsizing conditions. The roll leaves one with a paddle in the same capsizing conditions, with no more stability and possibly a dislocated shoulder. Small wonder it is not reliable for 97%. "So few sea kayakers are able to perfom the roll...most just fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring'97, p.53. It's Too bad about John Winters and the others. The facts are so simple. Thanks, Tim Dear Folk: Sponsons are a fat boat, to paddle to safety at 80% normal speed with re-capsize protection. See InfoSeek, "sea kayak safety", SEEK-- "Take Me To The Top...," (p.1) This web page has "sponsons revisited", an emergency Lake Superior surf landing by an intermediate paddler. This one reason why they are superior to rolls and pf. Add a Seafloat and even more safety. It's obvious. Thanks, Tim Dear John: Get used to this reality, "...most just fall out of the boat.. (Kayak Touring'97,p.53) This prejudice against uniform public safety goes down well in these discussion groups. But civil and coroner juries are not biased toward rolls etc. In fact sea kayaking is so small a sport, the issue will be how diligent the industry is regarding safety or how negligent. Your rolls and paddlefloats don't have much support from most of the major authors. Sponsons and seafloats do. It is rather obvious to a jury, and few of you are so foolish to openly condemn such obvious solutions to reliable sea kayak safety. Thanks, Tim It would appear that the cultists will continue to confuse the public about their risks as well as their safety options. Of course the Sea Kayaker article has not been mentioned. Sponsons are dangerous, compared to the roll, according to the party line. Dear Clyde: I have an enormous volume of safety comments compiled over 5 years, not even to mention the nearly 500 posts to rec.boats.paddle (and some very crazy responses to my posts). Type "sea kayak safety" when you click on InfoSeek "usenet newsgroups". Many sea kayakers have benefitted from this information, which their instruction left out. Most couldn't roll (tried a lot, cockpits too large, "just fall out".) Left the paddlefloat home: "what good would it do me anyway?" Very patiently yours, Tim Realistic Skills and Superior Judgment, by Design. Proven by All Experts. website http://www.bcconnex.net/~timkayak/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> >Very patiently yours, > >Tim >Realistic Skills and Superior Judgment, by Design. Proven by All Experts. >website http://www.bcconnex.net/~timkayak/ > JACKIE the slimy little weasel is back Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: > > > >Very patiently yours, > > > >Tim > >Realistic Skills and Superior Judgment, by Design. Proven by All Experts. > >website http://www.bcconnex.net/~timkayak/ > > > > JACKIE the slimy little weasel is back > > Dana > > Thank you Dana! I was going to reply to Tim, reminding him (as I went through the entire rbp flamewar last year) that it wasn't his product that people were objecting to it was HIM. But it seems that everyone here already knows that. I guess I am going to have to add to my killfile. Mike -- The only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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