Dave; This manuever (emtying the boat) begins with the victims boat turned upright instead of upside down as is often taught. The advantage of having the victims boat upright is that it is often very easy to simply slide the bow up onto your "lap" (British style boats can often be on your lap before the boats are even beginning to lift up out of the water). Because it is not necessary to lift the boat up hardly at all it is very stable for the rescuer. Next the rescuer simply reaches around to the other side of the boat, grabbing the keel or a deck line and rolls the victims boat back thereby emptying the boat. When the boat is emptied, roll it back the way it came and slide it back off your lap. The big disadvantage of the boat emptying manuever that requires the victim to weigh down the stern of an upside down boat while the rescuer lifts the bow up to empty the boat is that it is necessary for the rescuer to lift the boat much higher and it is therefore much less stable while being much more difficult. I hope this answers your question Dave. Let me know if I missed what you were asking. John Winskill Dave Kruger wrote: > > Thanks for posting the details of your clinic. Seems very thorough. > I'm saving it for later use. > > Please keep it up, John. Really helps to have the ideas of others. > > Did have one question about this part: > > > A member from each group does an assisted rescue and then I do another > > demo. The demo, this time, is of the rescuer instructing the victim to > > not help with the rescue but to hold onto my bow toggle while I demo how > > to empty a boat using a "T" rescue where the victims boat is, while > > still upright, pulled up over my deck in front of me before it is simply > > rolled over slowly as it empties. > > I'm a little confused about the point of this. I understand why you > demo how to empty the victim's boat, but it sounds like the boat ends up > upside down at the end. Do you mean this the way you wrote it? Or, do > you mean to say you pull the victim's boat over your deck while it is > inverted, and empty it of water while rolling the victim's boat back > UPRIGHT? > > Thanks. > -- > Dave Kruger > Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The boat being rescued does not have to remain upright until it is on the your deck, but can be rotated to its side immediately after the bow is on your deck, thereby allowing the cockpit to begin emptying as the rescued boat slides up onto your deck. A small point perhaps, but it makes a difference. Dave Carlson John C. Winskill wrote: > > Dave; > > This manuever (emtying the boat) begins with the victims boat turned > upright instead of upside down as is often taught. The advantage of > having the victims boat upright is that it is often very easy to simply > slide the bow up onto your "lap" (British style boats can often be on > your lap before the boats are even beginning to lift up out of the > water). Because it is not necessary to lift the boat up hardly at all > it is very stable for the rescuer. Next the rescuer simply reaches > around to the other side of the boat, grabbing the keel or a deck line > and rolls the victims boat back thereby emptying the boat. When the > boat is emptied, roll it back the way it came and slide it back off your > lap. > The big disadvantage of the boat emptying manuever that requires the > victim to weigh down the stern of an upside down boat while the rescuer > lifts the bow up to empty the boat is that it is necessary for the > rescuer to lift the boat much higher and it is therefore much less > stable while being much more difficult. > I hope this answers your question Dave. Let me know if I missed what > you were asking. > > John Winskill > > Dave Kruger wrote: > > > > Thanks for posting the details of your clinic. Seems very thorough. > > I'm saving it for later use. > > > > Please keep it up, John. Really helps to have the ideas of others. > > > > Did have one question about this part: > > > > > A member from each group does an assisted rescue and then I do another > > > demo. The demo, this time, is of the rescuer instructing the victim to > > > not help with the rescue but to hold onto my bow toggle while I demo how > > > to empty a boat using a "T" rescue where the victims boat is, while > > > still upright, pulled up over my deck in front of me before it is simply > > > rolled over slowly as it empties. > > > > I'm a little confused about the point of this. I understand why you > > demo how to empty the victim's boat, but it sounds like the boat ends up > > upside down at the end. Do you mean this the way you wrote it? Or, do > > you mean to say you pull the victim's boat over your deck while it is > > inverted, and empty it of water while rolling the victim's boat back > > UPRIGHT? > > > > Thanks. > > -- > > Dave Kruger > > Astoria, OR > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I'm partial to emptying boats by bobbing and rotating them. 1. While the boat is right-side-up go to an end of the boat 2. Push down on the end so that water inside the boat collects toward you 3. Once you have pushed down as far as you can, let the boat bob up 4. As the end of the boat bobs up, lift and rotate it slightly, so that some of the water which collected at your end can empty out through the cockpit 5. Repeat a few times, rotating more as necessary (as you get proficient, you will find that only one or two rotations does the trick for k-1s, three or four for k-2s, and about half a dozen for k-4s) I like this technique because it requires little lifting -- the bobbing helps get the boat moving up for you, so all you have to do is help it along and then rotate it a little at the right time. It works well for large kayaks (e.g. K-4) and for heavily laden kayaks. It can be performed with assistance from another boat or while swimming on your own (though it is more difficult to perform while swimming, for you usually get your face wet at the critical oint in the rotation). The primary disadvantage is that it takes coordination, for if your timing is off you are back to square one. Since in-water time is critical in cold waters, I would not recommend attempting this technique without fist having become competent at it in warm water. The loss of coordination due to cold water means that if you don't get the rotation right on your first couple of attempts, you probably will never get it. Like most rescue techniques, practice makes perfect. Richard Culpeper *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
G'day - John C. Winskill wrote: (or somebody did) > The big disadvantage of the boat emptying manuever that requires the > victim to weigh down the stern of an upside down boat while the rescuer > lifts the bow up to empty the boat is that it is necessary for the > rescuer to lift the boat much higher and it is therefore much less > stable while being much more difficult. Wayne's comment: This can depend on how you 'perceive' the maneuver (and perception is reality in many survival and rescue cases) I instruct people to imagine the boat that you are emptying as a big paddle, of massive proportions, that you are holding onto. Suddenly, and very simply you have the most support you could ever imagine. It is weird - suddenly the reality is different by changing the perception of what it is you are holding onto. One also has to have decent deck line rigging on that boat to assist you as well. If the boat doesn't, it does not deserve to be on open water and is better suited for sheltered closed water paddles. Regards - Wayne Langmaid Full time paddling guide with unashamedly the best job in Australia!! > I hope this answers your question Dave. Let me know if I missed what > you were asking. > > John Winskill > > Dave Kruger wrote: > > > > Thanks for posting the details of your clinic. Seems very thorough. > > I'm saving it for later use. > > > > Please keep it up, John. Really helps to have the ideas of others. > > > > Did have one question about this part: > > > > > A member from each group does an assisted rescue and then I do another > > > demo. The demo, this time, is of the rescuer instructing the victim to > > > not help with the rescue but to hold onto my bow toggle while I demo how > > > to empty a boat using a "T" rescue where the victims boat is, while > > > still upright, pulled up over my deck in front of me before it is simply > > > rolled over slowly as it empties. > > > > I'm a little confused about the point of this. I understand why you > > demo how to empty the victim's boat, but it sounds like the boat ends up > > upside down at the end. Do you mean this the way you wrote it? Or, do > > you mean to say you pull the victim's boat over your deck while it is > > inverted, and empty it of water while rolling the victim's boat back > > UPRIGHT? > > > > Thanks. > > -- > > Dave Kruger > > Astoria, OR > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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