Re: [Paddlewise] speed with versus against the current

From: John Winters <735769_at_ican.net>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:12:41 -0400
Jerry wrote;

>
>It has always seemed to me harder to paddle against the current as opposed
>to with.  I mean that even with my eyes closed I think I can feel the
>difference, i.e., without looking at the fixed shoreline.  I always
>attributed this to my imagination since I can't think of a physical reason
>it could be true.
>


I believe this has to do with one's normal stroke rate. If you are paddling
at your normal still water stroke up current  the force on your paddle will
be less because the paddle speed through the water is lower. To get the
same velocity to the water you have to increase the paddle velocity
relative to you.  Even though the paddle force is the same your rate is
higher and that may give the sensation of greater work.

Bruce Winterbon once called to my attention to an interesting phenomenon
involving the force developed when the blade is inserted in the crest of a
wave as opposed to the trough. The ideal would seem to be to make sure the
paddle was always inserted in the wave where the flow was opposite the
action of the paddle blade for greatest thrust. This may even have some nit
picking effect on rolling since the lift effect would be greater when blade
is travelling against the flow.

Donna wrote;

>Along these same lines, I'm new to kayaking and I've been going out
recently on
>a lake.  For some reason, I seem to paddle straighter and easier going
INTO the
>wind and against the current, heading into the waves.  When I turn around
and
>head to shore the way I came but with the wind at my back, I feel awkward
and
>have a hard time keeping on a straight course.  Is this difference because
it's
>a lake rather than a river?

The reasons for this are rather complicated. Maybe this much simplified
explanation will help.

The water molecules in a wave travel in circular orbits. At the crest they
travel with the wave but in the trough they travel in the opposite
direction. When paddling down wind the bow might be in the trough while the
stern will be on the crest (also vice versa) . If there is any angle
(almost always) there is a turning moment on the boat causing it to veer
off course. This is aggravated as the boat travels more closely to the wave
speed (period of encounter) when the forces have more time to act on the
boat. Against the wind the period of encounter is very short and the
relative flow is always in the same direction so there are no (or minimal)
turning moments.

The only time being in a lake or river would make a difference is when the
waves are due to the river flow rather than wind driven waves. Waves cause
by velocity variations in a river behave differently from waves caused by
wind.

If that isn't clear let me know and I will try again.

Cheers,
John Winters
Redwing Designs
Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft
http://home.ican.net/~735769/



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