I reviewed the pogie articles on the Paddlewise web site. There was no mention of brand names. I've seen a couple different styles out there, but once again I am not too impressed with the kayak accessory selection in the SF Bay Area. I will probably have to go mail order. Is there a superior pogie out there for sea kayaking? We are leaving for our Alaska vacation in about 3 weeks. Thanks in advance, Keith Kaste *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Keith Kaste wrote: > > I reviewed the pogie articles on the Paddlewise web site. There was no > mention of brand names. I've seen a couple different styles out there, > but once again I am not too impressed with the kayak accessory selection > in the SF Bay Area. I will probably have to go mail order. Is there a > superior pogie out there for sea kayaking? We are leaving for our > Alaska vacation in about 3 weeks. > > Thanks in advance, > > Keith Kaste > > I know that the lochsa polar paws, sold by NRS are good enough that I usually have to remove a layer from my top! They REALLY make that much differance. James *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I prefer pogies that have some stiffness added to the cuff, because otherwise you will need to use your teeth to insert the last hand into its pogie. I personally use the neoprene pogie made by Snap Dragon, which works quite well in PNW rivers -- warm and easy to get on and off. However lately I have been using Salamander's Otter Paw glove, which is very well made and has a nice pre-curved shape. Gloves are warmer than pogies, especially if you ever have to let go of your paddle (e.g. a rescue) but make handling items such as charts and other objects more challenging. Enjoy Alaska, Kevin ___________________ / Kevin Whilden \ |Dept. of Geosciences \___ |University of Washington \ |kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu| \________________________/ On Thu, 28 May 1998, Keith Kaste wrote: > I reviewed the pogie articles on the Paddlewise web site. There was no > mention of brand names. I've seen a couple different styles out there, > but once again I am not too impressed with the kayak accessory selection > in the SF Bay Area. I will probably have to go mail order. Is there a > superior pogie out there for sea kayaking? We are leaving for our > Alaska vacation in about 3 weeks. > > Thanks in advance, > > Keith Kaste > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I use some pile-lined, nylon pogies for winter paddling around here which are very user-friendly. If I remember correctly, they were mailordered from CKS. mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Mark H. Hunt wrote: > > I use some pile-lined, nylon pogies for winter paddling around here > which are very user-friendly. If I remember correctly, they were > mailordered from CKS. MIne are similar, but are made by Stohlquist, and have snaps arranged so the pogies can be rolled up on the paddle shaft, out of the way, when not in use. I got mine from Alder Creek Kayak in Portland, OR. Only minor drawback is that they are so floppy it is tricky getting the second pogie all the way up the wrist -- teeth on the tab works but is tedious. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Don Dimond wrote: >There are some paddlers who like wearing pogies so that >they can feel their paddle shafts with their hands. It >helps if your paddle is made of wood for your hands will >warm up the wood. Fiberglass paddles will have an air >pocket inside the shaft that can rob heat from your >hands. Yesterday I paddled in 50-ish degree weather with strong winds, with a water temperature about 50 degrees. I used pogies from the outset of the trip (with my carbide paddle) and enjoyed the feel of my paddle in my warm hands. The problem came when I had to tow someone who hadn't paddled in strong winds. Had to get my hands out of the pogies to deal with my tow belt and, once the paddler was hooked up, I didn't find (create?) an opportunity to get my hands back into the pogies. Had the same problem later, when another member of the party capsized in confused waves. I was just a boat length away, and the rescue went like a practice session, but my hands got *cold.* I agree that the paddle is easier to hold, easier to control with bare hands under the pogies. But my greatest need for warm hands will be those times when I won't be able to keep them under there. Anyone got a suggestion for a really flexible pair of neoprene gloves with a good grip? Bob Volin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob Volin wrote: > > Don Dimond wrote: > > >There are some paddlers who like wearing pogies so that > >they can feel their paddle shafts with their hands. It > >helps if your paddle is made of wood for your hands will > >warm up the wood. Fiberglass paddles will have an air > >pocket inside the shaft that can rob heat from your > >hands. I didn't notice this post before. Gail Ferris who is quite the winter paddler (and now lives in Greenland) suggested to me, among a whole slew of cold water tips, that one fill the shaft with foam. This is certainly possible with a two piece paddle. The only thing is watch out that it is foam that does not absorb water as water does get into paddles. > > Yesterday I paddled in 50-ish degree weather with strong winds, with a > water temperature about 50 degrees. I used pogies from the outset of the > trip (with my carbide paddle) and enjoyed the feel of my paddle in my warm > hands. SNIPPED > I agree that the paddle is easier to hold, easier to control with bare > hands under the pogies. But my greatest need for warm hands will be those > times when I won't be able to keep them under there. Anyone got a > suggestion for a really flexible pair of neoprene gloves with a good grip? I will no doubt get some arguments on this, but the best neoprene gloves I have found are not the fancy $50-60 Gale Force ones that paddle shops often push but rather the cheaper $20 ones you can find (Bob, locally at Ramsey or Campmor) that are meant for fishermen. The neoprene is not ridiculously thick and passes Bill Lozano's test of being able to pick up a coin from a table with them on. They are highly textured and give good grip. Supposedly with real heavy duty wear they will fall apart but mine haven't. You can wear them inside a pair of wind or shell pogies (i.e. without fleece) for real cold days to give you the best of both worlds...the warmth of pogies with the cold protection of neoprene when using your hands for something other than paddling. I also have a set of ridiculous looking neoprene gloves that are decently flexible. I say ridiculous because the palm and fingers are covered with little Body Glove logos made of up of grippier material. Can't remember where I got them. But go for those cheaper neoprene ones I mentioned. Get them on the large side. You want flexibility. If the neoprene is too tight you will start get hand cramps from holding a paddle. I made that mistake early on with some neoprene gloves since passed on to my wife. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob Volin wrote: > > I agree that the paddle is easier to hold, easier to control with bare > hands under the pogies. But my greatest need for warm hands will be those > times when I won't be able to keep them under there. Anyone got a > suggestion for a really flexible pair of neoprene gloves with a good grip? > I wear these http://www.uscav.com/Shop/ItemDetail.asp?stk_code=WA17044 when the weather/water is cold. When it gets COLD, I have a pair of neoprene fishing gloves from Bass Pro Shops. The USCav gloves are 1 mm neoprene and very flexible. The others, which I think are called Aleutian (as if!) are thicker, but still give adequate control. You lose a little, but paddling with bare cold hands you lose some control, too. If anyone wants a really thick pair, I have some NRS gloves I've only used once that I'd like to part with. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I agree that the paddle is easier to hold, easier to control with bare > hands under the pogies. But my greatest need for warm hands will be those > times when I won't be able to keep them under there. Anyone got a > suggestion for a really flexible pair of neoprene gloves with a good grip? Keeping my hands warm has been, and continues to be my endless search. Last winter I used cheap neoprene gloves which worked fairly well, _except_ when paddling into the wind. At that point I'd pull the pogies out of the deck bag and attach them to the paddle. This kept my hands warm and I still had the gloves on in case I needed to pull them out of the pogies. What didn't work well, is that I paddle with a Greenland stick. Pogies are a kludge at best on a Greenland paddle, and limits your stroke possibilities. I've spent over $150 looking for the right glove combination this year, but still haven't found the right combo. I'm thinking of a neo glove covered by some sort of mitt when paddling into the wind. I think this should allow me to use sliding strokes and braces, yet be able to pluck them off when needing the finer dexterity of the neo gloves underneath. Someone mentioned long rubber gloves tied off to make them water proof. This might help me since my gloves are often wet from the water running down the paddle. I don't know. I'd appreciate hearing what other Greenland paddle users use in the middle of winter. Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Robert Woodard wrote: > > > Someone mentioned long rubber gloves tied off to make them water proof. This > might help me since my gloves are often wet from the water running down the > paddle. > Long rubber gloves are amazingly warm. I used some during a river cleanup recently. A couple of winters ago I tried dishwashing gloves over poplypro glove liners on a February trip (in North Georgia, which of course is not that cold, maybe 40F). I had to take the liners off pretty quickly. Don't bother tying them off to make them waterproof. Perspiration from your hands will make them very wet inside, even in cold temps. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob- I have been happy with the "Aleutian" gloves at Campmor. They are rubber and waterproof. Yet they are relatively thin with good flexibility and pretty easy to get on and off (unlike the pair I used on Sunday-I'll never use those again). Debs > ---------- > From: Bob Volin[SMTP:bobvolin_at_bestweb.net] > > hands under the pogies. But my greatest need for warm hands will be those > times when I won't be able to keep them under there. Anyone got a > suggestion for a really flexible pair of neoprene gloves with a good grip? > > Bob Volin > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> ---------- > From: Bob Volin[SMTP:bobvolin_at_bestweb.net] > > hands under the pogies. But my greatest need for warm hands will be those > times when I won't be able to keep them under there. Anyone got a > suggestion for a really flexible pair of neoprene gloves with a good grip? > > Bob Volin > Joyce and I came to sea kayaking from yachting via canoeing. As well as PFDs, our yachting gear includes sailing gloves. These have light leather on the palms, neoprene backs, cut off fingers and velcro wrist fastenings. They give a great grip (or slip for the feathered) on the paddle, stop blisters forming on soft hands, and the half inch or so of fingers still exposed gives the sensitivity required for fiddly work. When the finger ends start getting cold we put on polypropylene gloves, then the sailing gloves on top, giving extra warmth but still good grip. If it gets colder, then out come the pogies. Allan Singleton Hamilton NZ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > ---------- > > From: Bob Volin[SMTP:bobvolin_at_bestweb.net] > > > > hands under the pogies. But my greatest need for warm hands will be those > > times when I won't be able to keep them under there. Anyone got a > > suggestion for a really flexible pair of neoprene gloves with a good grip? > > > > Bob Volin haven't got any myself but there are flexible non-slip neoprene gloves out there for paddling for example NW river supplies has some 2mm gloves http://www.nrsweb.com/ I was going to get some of theirs but some are now available here in australia. http://www.kayaktours.com/home.html nick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Don't bother tying them off to make them waterproof. Perspiration from >your hands will make them very wet inside, even in cold temps. > >Steve One thing I've noticed is that if there's any restriction to blood circulation to my hands, e.g. a too tight velcro band, my hands will get cold no matter what insulation I'm wearing. If loose, then no problem. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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