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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_seasurf.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Bug Repellents/Fuel
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 22:30:48 -0700
Robert C. Cline wrote:

> So what are the dangers & caveats about carrying fuels in a Kayak?

I'm a white-gas guy.  I try to pack the fuel separately from the food: 
no food in the compartment the fuel is in.  Obviously, canned goods can
not get contaminated, so they can go with the fuel.  I make sure the
bottles are vertical, so if there is a leak, loss will be minimal.

Use metal bottles for fuel, or the new, special ones from Nalge -- they
are red, and labeled as made from "gasoline-impermeable fluorinated
HDPE."  I bought one of these a couple years ago and experimented with
it.  Now, it's my main fuel bottle.  They seem as durable as Sigg or MSR
metal bottles, and they come with an integral spout which pours better
than anything I've ever seen before!  Really a slick system.

Others like the butane/propane mix popular for Coleman stoves, etc. 
This is more costly, but avoids the priming hassle of a white gas
stove.  The same precaution would apply for carrying any opened
canisters.  Despite the higher cost, I'd use butane/propane if there
were an easy (and legal) way to re-use the containers.  I know a couple
guys who have found adapters to refill from a larger butane/propane
bottle, but it is strictly illegal in the States.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Bug Repellents/Fuel
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:15:02 -0400
For tripping I prefer whte gas because you can go a long way on a little.  For
off-season I prefer it because low temperatures are not as much of a problem.

Richard Culpeper

Dave Kruger wrote:

> Robert C. Cline wrote:
>
> > So what are the dangers & caveats about carrying fuels in a Kayak?
>
> I'm a white-gas guy.  I try to pack the fuel separately from the food:
> no food in the compartment the fuel is in.  Obviously, canned goods can
> not get contaminated, so they can go with the fuel.  I make sure the
> bottles are vertical, so if there is a leak, loss will be minimal.
>
> Use metal bottles for fuel, or the new, special ones from Nalge -- they
> are red, and labeled as made from "gasoline-impermeable fluorinated
> HDPE."  I bought one of these a couple years ago and experimented with
> it.  Now, it's my main fuel bottle.  They seem as durable as Sigg or MSR
> metal bottles, and they come with an integral spout which pours better
> than anything I've ever seen before!  Really a slick system.
>
> Others like the butane/propane mix popular for Coleman stoves, etc.
> This is more costly, but avoids the priming hassle of a white gas
> stove.  The same precaution would apply for carrying any opened
> canisters.  Despite the higher cost, I'd use butane/propane if there
> were an easy (and legal) way to re-use the containers.  I know a couple
> guys who have found adapters to refill from a larger butane/propane
> bottle, but it is strictly illegal in the States.
>
> --
> Dave Kruger
> Astoria, OR
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From: Dan Hagen <dan_at_hagen.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Bug Repellents/Fuel
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 07:30:44 -0700
Dave Kruger wrote:

> ...SNIP...
> Despite the higher cost, I'd use butane/propane if there
> were an easy (and legal) way to re-use the containers.  ...

Dave,

How do you re-use white gas containers? I am not referring to the fuel
bottles, but to the containers in which the white gas is purchased. Most
stove manufacturers (including MSR) now recommend that you buy the fuel
in small quantities (to ensure fuel freshness and prevent fouling of the
stove), and MSR sells very pure fuel in it's own little containers.
While these containers are recyclable (as are the butane/propane
containers) they are not reused.  Is there anyone out there who re-uses
white gas containers? If so, how do you go about this?

Dan Hagen
Bellingham, Washington
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