RE: [Paddlewise] etiquette

I hate it when people call as I am packing or trying to get to the
rendezvous on time.

One consequence of accepting people at the last minute is that they
might be less prepared than they should be, especially if they are
novices. Whenever I led an overnight trip for the North Star Ski
Touring club, I tried to schedule a planning meeting about a week
before the trip to arrange carpooling and other resources, hand out
maps and minimum impact rules, and so forth. It was generally the
people who missed the meeting who were the biggest problem. One woman
who missed the meeting for a beginners' winter camping trip also failed
to read the literature I sent her. She not only showed up in jeans, but
brought the wrong food. Needless to say, she was the only one who
suffered from the cold.

Chuck Holst

 -----Original Message-----
From: Larry Snow [mailto:larry.snow_at_deltec.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 3:13 PM
To: 'paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] etiquette


My experience in such situations is not with sea kayaking trips, but is
similar.  I have led a number of other trips for a local outing club and
have found that very often people will wait until the last minute to
sign up for the trip -- even one where it is obvious that advance
arrangements must be made.  I remember one weekend snowshoe trip I led
with room for 8 people.  The trip was posted for a month and only 5
people signed up, but that was still enough to go.  I was doing the
kitchen arrangements, so I did the shopping and packing Thursday evening
(we were leaving Friday after work).  I got not one, not two, but three
calls from people at about 9:00 p.m. Thursday evening who wanted to go
on the trip.  I wonder when they expected me to make the advanced
preparations?  I had room for all three, but turned them down because I
didn't want to redo the kitchen.  I guess I just got hard-nosed about it
after that, and if people called me at the last minute, I turned them
down, even for trips that didn't require advanced preparation.  I
figured that I've got to train people that they have to plan ahead for
these types of things, and there are consequences (i.e. not going along)
if they don't.

>----------
>From:  Mark Zen[SMTP:canoeist_at_netbox.com]
>Sent:  Wednesday, July 08, 1998 11:08 PM
>To:  paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net; CPAKayaker_at_lists.shire.net
>Subject:  [Paddlewise] etiquette
>
>here's the situation. you announce a club trip, at a generally popular
>place, and the announcement goes out with 2 months notice in the club's
>newsletter. it also goes to the club website. the "event" is two day
>trips in the area [not same place both days]. at what point do you say:
>"there's been no interest, trip is cancelled" and then start telling
>everyone [if anyone] who calls, that very thing?? no calls by the   wednesday
>before [it's a 4 hour drive, and the leaders leaving friday noon, but   has
>to make reservations for friday night, by noon thursday]... do that many
>people really wait until thursday & friday to call the coodinator??
>
>what sayest you all??
>
>mark
>
>
>
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