Thanks for the backup there Chuck. I did do my homework. I checked the website carefully (which Chuck has quoted), read the literature, talked with the store (US Marine) and other paddlers. If the website now states water resistant, then that is a recent change. -Patrick CHUCK wrote: > >The following statements are quoted verbatim from the Icom Web site at >http://www.icomamerica.com/marine/handhelds/m1.html: > >>IC-M1 >> >>HANDHELD VHF MARINE TRANSCEIVER >> >>Waterproof protection you can count on! >> >> >>Waterproof construction >> >>The IC-M1 is waterproof! Designed for reliable operation under severe >>marine conditions. Torrential downpours, heavy seas - no problem for >>this transceiver. > >And on another page: > >>Submersible JIS-7 rating (withstands submersion for 30 minutes at depth >of 1 meter) > >Chuck Holst > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Mattson, Timothy G [mailto:timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:43 PM >To: 'paddlewise' >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof radios > > >Patrick, > >Someone needs to stand up for Icom on this waterproof >radio discussion. > >I just recently purchased the M15 instead of the M1. Based on >past discussions on this list, I too thought the M1 was >waterproof and was planning to buy it. Before making the >purchase, however, I carefully read over the Icom brochures >and web site, and found they both stated very clearly that the >M1 was only water resistant. Based on this fact, I bought the >much more expensive but truely waterproof M15. > >I found the Icom literature very clear on this point. I was >disappointed that the less expensive M1 didn't provide the >water proof qualities a kayaker needs, but I can't understand >blaming Icom for this. Their literature was quite clear that >the M1 is water resistent --- not water proof. > >If you purchased your radio based on old literature, that's a >different problem, but not one you can blame on Icom. >If the distributor you purchased the radio from didn't have >up to date literature of if you didn't take the effort to get the >up to date information, that's not Icom's fault. > >I feel sorry for you having spent money on a radio that >doesn't meet your needs. But we live in a "let the buyer beware" >society so you can't blame the manufacturer because you >didn't do your homework. > >In fact, you should be singing praises for Icom. You used >the product incorrectly and they still honored the warantee. >That's quite decent of them. > > --Tim > > -----Original Message----- >From: Patrick Maun [mailto:patrick.maun_at_duffy.com] >Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 2:55 PM >To: PaddleWise >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Icom Revises Rating > >Dan Hagen wrote: >>Sure they can--particularly if they are willing to provide a warranty >>against failure due to water penetration. I'm sure that Icom will >>repair or replace your unit under warranty. >They did repair it under warranty. It's not the warranty that I'm >complaining >about, it's the fact that they present the M1 and M15 as having the same >level >of waterproofing. I did my research in the way that most of us do: I asked >fellow paddlers, posted to the list, looked at various Internet specs and >brochures, and finally, talked with the guys at US Marine. It just ticks >me >off that Icom is now claiming that the radio is "resistant" (the flyer is >actually dated 1995) and not waterproof. I still know several people who >have >their M1's strapped to their PFD's and are rolling happily away with them. >How >long until these fail in the field, especially now that we (in the >Midwest) >are getting closer to the more dangerous fall season on Lake Superior. > >>If you want to avoid the use of a baggie, I recommend that you consider >>an M15 or a Navico Axis. >After I spent $250 getting the M1 just a few months ago? Anyone have an >idea of how long after purchase US Marine will exchange a radio? And what >is the price of the M15? And is the M15 *really* more waterproof than the >M1? Too many questions, why can't the damn thing just work like it's >supposed to. Hrumpf. > > -Patrick > >******************************************************************** >****** >* > >While paddling in the Nipigon Bay area of Lake Superior last week, I >noticed that my Icom IC-M1 had some condensation on the inside of the >LCD display. For convenience, ever since I bought it last spring I had >been carrying it on trips unprotected in a pocket of my PFD. During these >trips I had frequently rolled and/or laid in the water, using a sculling >brace, to cool off. This was the first sign of leakage. For the rest of >the trip I carried it inside the day compartment of my Romany. When I got >home, I put the radio in a sunny window to drive out the moisture. It >still works, but I have decided to order a waterproof bag for it. > >On thinking it over, I wonder if it wasn't water vapor rather than liquid >water that penetrated the seal, in the same way that water vapor passes >through Goretex but not water in the liquid form. If so, it would be >possible for the radio to pass the JIS-7 immersion test even though it >admitted water vapor. > >Does anyone have any thoughts on this? > >Chuck Holst > > >******************************************************************** >****** * >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >******************************************************************** >****** * > >******************************************************************** >****** * >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >****************************************** * ------ Message Heade >multitech > > ------ Message Header Follows ------ >Received: from multitech.com by multitech.com > (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.2 (Build 22005) for Windows NT(tm)) > id AA-1998Sep02.124352.1944.332688; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:43:52 -0500 >Received: from ns1.intelenet.net ([204.182.160.31]) by gateway.multitech.com >with ESMTP id <16129>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:43:42 -0500 >Received: (from majordom_at_localhost) > by ns1.intelenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04446 > Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:43 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from ns.intelenet.net (intelenet.net [204.182.160.1]) > by ns1.intelenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04442 > Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) > Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fmsmsx >[132.233.247.10]) > by ns.intelenet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01374 > for <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM (fmsmsx29.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.29]) > by calliope1.fm.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12519 > for <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:37:31 GMT >Received: by FMSMSX29 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) > id <RHM6VWZ0>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:30 -0700 >Message-ID: <A96613FBFCC8D111AC3F00A0C96B540101057CDB_at_FMSMSX42> >From: "Mattson, Timothy G" <timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com> >To: "'paddlewise'" <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof radios >Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:37:29 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Sender: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Precedence: list >X-Listname: Paddlewise Mailing List >X-Subscription-Info: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************Received on Wed Sep 02 1998 - 12:00:40 PDT
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