Re: [Paddlewise] Message from Steph Dutton & Michael Kundu....

1.  I'm a vegetarian.  Comparing whales to cows as food animals is not
relevant to me. 

2. You'd have better luck persuading me if the folks preserving their
culture did so without the 50 caliber rifle.

3.  With only 20k whales in the species, 20 taken over 5 years is very
significant.

Richard Culpeper
www.geocities.com/~culpeper

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> From: wmsahli_at_interaccess.com
> To: Michael Kundu <projectseawolf_at_seanet.com>
> Cc: Paddlewise (E-mail) <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>
> Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Message from Steph Dutton & Michael Kundu....
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 9:40 AM
> 
> I am surprised at the uproar over 20 animals over a 5 year time frame..
> Given the 20,000 estimated numbers for this species the number is rather
> insignificant and the impact on banning whaling on the Makah culture is
so
> much more potentially damaging. We need to understand that ours is not
the
> only culture that has value and worth. Something greater needs to be
called
> on, not this call for action based solely on the emotional impact of
> visualizing the slaughter of innocent animals. All food animals are
> slaughtered and who are we to tell another culture that they can't eat an
> abundant food animal?
> 
> As for the complexity of the issue, show me the "official" document or
> better yet have it verified and release it to the press. They are rabid
> whale huggers also.
> 
> Please don't misunderstand me, I love the sight of whales and  I wouldn't
> want to eat whale meat, however, I also love the sight of a flock of
geese
> in flight and do still enjoy eating wild goose.
> 
> Remember only people inherently have rights. Animals only have the rights
> that people assign them (cruel sounding but reality).
> 
> Having Much Too Much Fun,
> 
> Will Sahli
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	wayne steffens [mailto:wsteffen_at_skypoint.com]
> Sent:	Saturday, October 24, 1998 7:47 PM
> To:	Michael Kundu
> Cc:	paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> Subject:	Re: [Paddlewise] Message from Steph Dutton & Michael Kundu....
> 
> At 07:21 PM 10/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> 
> > To make matters more complex, I have personally, in hand at this time,
> >federal documents requested under the freedom of information act, that
> >proove the Makah whaling commission are launching this hunt in order to
> >commence a future trade in whale meat with Japanese and other foreign
> >whaling countries.
> 
> Then why dont you share it with us? This directly contradicts the
> statements put out by the Makah. If this forum is suitable for this
> subject, we should be able to discuss both sides, not just yours. You are
> making very serious allegations, and you say you have "proof" but dont
> provide any. So please share it. This isnt the first time that the claim
> has surfaced (http://cda.net/stories/1998/May/29/S397322.asp) from Sea
> Shepherd, without proof.
> 
> 
> >Steph and Heidi are presently on-site in Neah Bay, where they had hoped
to
> >offer the Makah whaling commission a non-lethal alternative to the
Makah's
> >planned slaughter of 5 gray whales this month.
> 
> Dont you feel just a little bit guilty about this misleading statement?
The
> Makah do not have a "planned slaughter of 5 gray whales this month". In
> fact they are allowed UP TO 5 whales a year, but only twenty over a 5
year
> period. That averages out to 4 per year MAXIMUM. And nowhere have I seen
> anything that indicates that they intend to take the maximum quota. And
> even if they do, that hardly qualifies as "slaughter".
> 
> 
>   The Makah whaling
> >commission have refused to consider anything short of killing these
whales.
> 
> Would you prefer they eat them alive?
> 
> 
> >
> >At this point, Steph Dutton and his operation are in desparate need of
feul
> >and supporting donations to keep them on-site to continue field efforts
to
> >prevent the hunt from occuring.
> 
> I could make a number of helpful and patronizing suggestions as to how
> Steph could run his life better and avoid the cultural strife these fuel
> shortages are causing him-isnt that the same thing he is trying to do to
> the Makah?
> 
> >
> >This call for help is for anyone who would support Steph and Heidi in
this
> >important field exercise -- please send whatever you can to them, c/o
Heidi
> >Tiura and Steph Dutton, C/O General Delivery, Neah Bay, WA 98357. 
Detailed
> >updates are available from their website at www.graywhale.net.
> >
> >We've exhausted all other options...  field intervention is absolutely
> >necessary.  Steph and Heidi's boat Sea Dog is one of only five on-site
> >vessels that can handle the water enough to do any good.  If you oppose
the
> >new slaughter of whales in the Pacific Northwest, please do what you can
to
> >help.
> 
> And dont forget to get both sides of the story and the facts before doing
> so.
> http://www.makah.com/whales.htm
> 
> The facts:
> 
> 1)The Makah will kill a few whales. There is no "slaughter" planned,
> 2)there is no plan to sell whale meat overseas (or prove that there is),
it
> is illegal to do so
> 3)Some people who probably buy their dead meat in a store dont like the
> Makah exercising their treaty rights to kill their own meat
> 4)The hunt is not being done in a way that will affect whale populations
> so...
> 5)It really isnt a conservation issue, it's an animal rights issue. Thats
> fine but as  such I dont think it belongs on Paddlewise.
> 
> 
> Wayne
> 
>
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