hi all, ive been having some trouble with my legs "falling asleep" when im in my kayak for an extended period without walking and i was wondering if anyone else was having this problem or knew what may alleviate it? picture me paddling up to shore in my s n g home built kayak full of pride, slipping out of the cockpit, and falling straight back on my butt and you can understand my concern. thanks, robin. mobile, alabama. P.S.- i would love to hear some more kayak fishing stories!!!! Lets hear about everybody's best catch (not the exaggerated one that got away!) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Gratytshrk_at_aol.com wrote: > > ive been having some trouble with my legs "falling asleep" when im in my kayak > for an extended period without walking and i was wondering if anyone else was > having this problem or knew what may alleviate it? Most likely inadequate support under your upper thighs. Experiment with FIRM supports and see if they alleviate the condition. If so, consider fabricating a dense foam seat, carved to fit your tush and upper thighs. I'll send along some posts I made earlier on this (and spare the list the repeat). To cure my "falling asleep" problem, I had to extend my seat/pad to mid-thigh. (In a Pygmy Osprey Std.) No problem, now, even for 4-hour stints. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> > ive been having some trouble with my legs "falling asleep" > > Most likely inadequate support under your upper thighs. PLUS too much pressure on the outer buttocks. > To cure my "falling asleep" problem, I had to extend my seat/pad to > mid-thigh. I keep pointing out to people that the chair they sit in to watch TV or their car seat, both have long support. Most kayak seats are tiny (short) buckets. Do make sure it angles up at the same angle as your legs make to the knee/thigh braces. Make the seat humped, not hollow, with the hump running fore and aft along the middle of the seat. The hump runs between the legs. Alex -- ---------------------------------------------------- Alex Ferguson a.ferguson_at_chem.canterbury.ac.nz Electronics Workshop, Chem Dept, Univ of Canterbury Christchurch, New Zealand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Actually, maybe you shouldn't "spare the list the repeat." I'll bet there are others besides me who would be glad to see the repeats. I've been thinking of doing just that with my kayak, because I've been having the same problem. On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:00:47 -0700 Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com> writes: >Gratytshrk_at_aol.com wrote: >> >> ive been having some trouble with my legs "falling asleep" when im >in my kayak >> for an extended period without walking and i was wondering if anyone >else was >> having this problem or knew what may alleviate it? > >Most likely inadequate support under your upper thighs. Experiment >with >FIRM supports and see if they alleviate the condition. If so, >consider >fabricating a dense foam seat, carved to fit your tush and upper >thighs. I'll send along some posts I made earlier on this (and spare >the list the repeat). > >To cure my "falling asleep" problem, I had to extend my seat/pad to >mid-thigh. (In a Pygmy Osprey Std.) No problem, now, even for 4-hour >stints. > >-- >Dave Kruger >Astoria, OR > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
volinjo_at_juno.com wrote: > > Actually, maybe you shouldn't "spare the list the repeat." I'll bet > there are others besides me who would be glad to see the repeats. I've > been thinking of doing just that with my kayak, because I've been having > the same problem. OK. The repeat is below the signature. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR -- > Usually, if I experience the leg tinglies in one of my boats, a little > in-the-yak flexing over the course of the first half-hour of paddling > will alleviate them. > > However, since I went to carving my own minicell foam seats, the > tinglies have almost entirely disappeared. (Used to be pretty bad in > these boats.) So, I'm not so sure your problem is solely lack of > stretching. I suspect some outfitting with minicell should help. I was > a skeptic when others told me to extend the seat so it smoothly supports > my upper thighs, almost to mid-thigh. Then I made my first seat. Bam! > Tinglies just disappeared. > > [For back support, I use a PD Designs back band in one of these boats, > and I believe the back band is pretty universally adaptable to anyone's > needs for lower back support. Takes some fiddling, though.] > > There was an article in Sea Kayaker in the last year or so detailing > techniques for making your own foam seat. Not for the faint-hearted, in > most cases, however, because typically you have to cut out the stock > seat. The best commercial seat I've seen is the one Eddyline now > includes in all their sea kayaks. Their dealers can get it for you. > Out here, I use Pacific Wave > (http://www.aone.com/~pacwave/no_frames.html). It takes some experience > to decide if this seat will work in your kayak, so I'd telephone them if > you do not have a *knowledgeable* person at your local dealer. It might > work for you, and includes a pretty good seatback. I bought one of > their kayaks this spring, and glued a half-inch piece of minicell to the > seatback, carved to fit the backside of my tush/lower back, and find it > nearly the equal of the custom-carved foam seats. > > Ralph Diaz (folding kayak specialist) is a strong devotee of the > Creature Comfort Seat (about $75; Chesapeake Light Craft; 410-267-0137; > Web page: http://www.clcboats.com/). I have no experience with this > seat, but Ralph's description makes it sound like a commercial version > of a custom-carved minicell seat, with integral back. Ralph's opinion > counts for a lot, in my book, especially since he has a back problem, > and is very critical of seat/seatback installations. > > Good luck. If you decide to "carve your own," definitely locate the Sea > Kayaker article. Minicell can be had from Pacific Wave (above), Alder Creek > (http://www.aldercreek.com/), and other full-service kayak shops. No, it's > not cheap. > I use a high-speed right-angle grinder (with 80 grit on it), instead of the > dragon skin and/or Sureform tools others recommend. The grinder makes a > better surface and is REALLY rapid. The other hot tip is to affix velcro to > the foam (hooks) with Weldwood contact cement and the fuzzy velcro to the > hull also using Weldwood, so you can easily remove the foam for cleaning or > fine-tuning of the shape. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Another factory built foam seat is available from Great River Outfitters and is the seat used in the Capella. cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Kirk Olsen wrote: > I don't feel it's against list rules. You're helping your students > with an experiment by creating paddling gear for those on the list. You > aren't looking to make money, just getting help to get the project to > happen. > > You may even coax one or more of the students out into a boat ;-) I agree with the herder of cats, or kayakers as the case may be. In fact I think this is a grand endeavour. I am always trying to get interesting things going with my kids and their friends and classmates. They need concrete references to real problems. > Those who disagree are welcome to discuss this with me backchannel. I am, as always, reminded of my understanding of a reference to "backchannel" as a part of anatomy where the sun doesn't shine, rather than an off-line discussion, which is the Paddlewise meaning! (Chuckle.) GaryJ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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