After J Winters reference to weather prediction I decided to make a search through the net to see what kind of weather prediction aids would be useful out in the water. This was a rather fruitless endeavor. MOst of the sites dealt with the use of rather sophisticated equipment that reflect their use in the weather reports I listen to on tv or the radio. Most of the weather I have been dealing for the past 25 years with has been filtered through the skylines of citys, gray sky rain, blue sky clear. Obviously insufficient in the conditions I am encountering now on the water. I would be very interested in anecdotes relating to this subject from you all that have far more experience than me, as well as references that would provide really practical application(either on the net or in books). I rely on weather reports from marine band radio that I listen to in the shower in the morning. I would presume that there must be some references for sailing, though our needs are very different. I have found a site that has some nice illustrations of cloud formations, http://www.softrain.co.uk/pet_v3/met_cloud.htm but this seems to give similar information as that I studied in my meteorology course in school, how it works rather than it's application. I remember some references to bird flight and the under side of leaves on a tree being clues to stormy conditions, but my kayak is relatively low volume and havn't figured a way to carry these along. -- gabriel l romeu http://members.aol.com/romeug studio furniture http://members.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photos, prints, etc. http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR a daily photo journal *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Study your clouds! Clouds, clouds,clouds. They tell all. I took meteo courses in "the academy" in prep for Merchant Marine licensing. The teacher, a legend, named THOR would always start the class by asking "what kind of clouds do we have today?". You can pretty much figure out a lot...especially what the next 6 hours holds. If you combine cloud obs with a surface pressure analysis and 500mB analysis from the web, you can see how fronts are steered and that will tell you about what to expect tor wind, waves etc. I recommend a book called Meteorology for Mariners. Its a text book that you don't really have to concentrate on. The authors name escapes me but e-mail me privately if you are interested. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Acording to Amazon.com, the book "Meteorology for Mariners" is out of print. Does anyone on the list have other meteorology books to recommend? I used to fly airplanes and feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the fundamentals, but I would like to study this topic from a stricly marine point of view. --Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: WILAX_at_aol.com [SMTP:WILAX_at_aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 8:36 AM > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] weather prediction > > Study your clouds! Clouds, clouds,clouds. They tell all. I took meteo > courses in "the academy" in prep for Merchant Marine licensing. The > teacher, > a legend, named THOR would always start the class by asking "what kind of > clouds do we have today?". You can pretty much figure out a > lot...especially > what the next 6 hours holds. > If you combine cloud obs with a surface pressure analysis and 500mB > analysis > from the web, you can see how fronts are steered and that will tell you > about > what to expect tor wind, waves etc. > I recommend a book called Meteorology for Mariners. Its a text book that > you > don't really have to concentrate on. > The authors name escapes me but e-mail me privately if you are interested. > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > ************************************************************************** > * *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Mattson, Timothy G wrote: > > Acording to Amazon.com, the book "Meteorology for Mariners" is out of print. > Does anyone on the list have other meteorology books to recommend? I used > to fly airplanes and feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the > fundamentals, but I would like to study this topic from a stricly marine > point of view. In the bibliography to my book, I listed one book that seemed real good. I like it because it is short and to the point without a whole lot of mumbo-jumbo. The Boater's Weather Guide by Margaret Williams (Cornell Maritime Press, 1990. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The second edition of Meteorology for Mariners (the most recent available, I believe) was published in 1967 by Great Britain's Meteorological Office. At least one copy is held in the Williams Library here at Texas A&M University at Galveston (Texas Maritime Academy); and at least one more on the main campus of Texas A&M University (Evans Library in College Station). You may request a copy to borrow by going through your local public library who could also potentially help you locate copies closer to where you are. If you'd like to see a selection of titles on marine weather, try a key word search on "marine meteorology" in our library catalog. We have 57 titles on this topic. Go to the Web address ovid.tamu.edu/webpac/catalogs/, select "search catalogs", then Texas A&M University at Galveston. Plenty of reference works about - application and utility are something else. Natalie P.S. Yes, I do paddle sea kayaks myself! Nathaniel Bowditch is the author of American Practical Navigator, the basic text for maritime navigation students. It has about 10 pages devoted to weather and pictures the basic cloud groups and gives a description of what weather will likely follow x hours after you see them. At 09:04 AM 12/9/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Acording to Amazon.com, the book "Meteorology for Mariners" is out of print. >Does anyone on the list have other meteorology books to recommend? I used >to fly airplanes and feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the >fundamentals, but I would like to study this topic from a stricly marine >point of view. > >--Tim > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WILAX_at_aol.com [SMTP:WILAX_at_aol.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 8:36 AM >> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] weather prediction >> >> Study your clouds! Clouds, clouds,clouds. They tell all. I took meteo >> courses in "the academy" in prep for Merchant Marine licensing. The >> teacher, >> a legend, named THOR would always start the class by asking "what kind of >> clouds do we have today?". You can pretty much figure out a >> lot...especially >> what the next 6 hours holds. >> If you combine cloud obs with a surface pressure analysis and 500mB >> analysis >> from the web, you can see how fronts are steered and that will tell you >> about >> what to expect tor wind, waves etc. >> I recommend a book called Meteorology for Mariners. Its a text book that >> you >> don't really have to concentrate on. >> The authors name escapes me but e-mail me privately if you are interested. >> ************************************************************************** >> * >> PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >> Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >> Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >> Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >> ************************************************************************** >> * >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > > Natalie Wiest, Library Director Jack K. Williams Library, Texas A&M University at Galveston P.O. Box 1675 Galveston TX 77553 U.S.A. Phone: (409)740-4567 Fax: (409)740-4702 Email: wiestn_at_tamug.tamu.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Acording to Amazon.com, the book "Meteorology for Mariners" is out of print. Does anyone on the list have other meteorology books to recommend? I used to fly airplanes and feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the fundamentals, but I would like to study this topic from a stricly marine point of view. ------------ A search at http://www.abebooks.com/ turned up 4 used copies at about $24. Apparently the book was published by the British government. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:29:30 PM EST, timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com writes: << Acording to Amazon.com, the book "Meteorology for Mariners" is out of print. Does anyone on the list have other meteorology books to recommend? I used to fly airplanes and feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the fundamentals, but I would like to study this topic from a stricly marine point of view. >> Go back to "Books 101, the fundamentals" try a library. If that doesn'twork, try interlibrary loan. It always works for me. John *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Gabriel wrote; - >After J Winters reference to weather prediction I decided to make a >search through the net to see what kind of weather prediction aids would >be useful out in the water. This was a rather fruitless endeavor. >MOst of the sites dealt with the use of rather sophisticated equipment >that reflect their use in the weather reports I listen to on tv or the >radio. You might find my web page on safety useful. Strictly non commercial. The book I recommend is "The Sailor's Weather Guide" by Jeff Markell. You can also get "Mariner's Weather" by Crawford from West Marine (Model # 520122) I also carry with me on my boat a Davis instant weather predictor. Model # 451799 from West). I loaned out my Allan Watts book on weather and haven't seen it since so t must have been good. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
John Winters wrote>: > >You might find my web page on safety useful. Strictly non commercial. The >book I recommend is "The Sailor's Weather Guide" by Jeff Markell. You can >also get "Mariner's Weather" by Crawford from West Marine (Model # 520122) >I also carry with me on my boat a Davis instant weather predictor. Model # >451799 from West). > John, would you describe this weather predictor and how you have used it? I assume it's barometer-based? Thanks, please tell us more, John Somers *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Davis earned his B.Sc. in Geography from Tuk U. in 1994, and is now working his way through part time M.Sc. studies in Meteorology focusing on fractal based computer modeling of weather patterns. John Winters has kindly been hiring on Davis each summer as his on-board instant weather predictor. Richard Culpeper ---------- > John Winters wrote>: --snip-- > >I also carry with me on my boat a Davis instant weather predictor. --snip-- > > John, would you describe this weather predictor and how you have used it? > I assume it's barometer-based? > > Thanks, please tell us more, > John Somers *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 02:01 PM 12/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >Davis earned his B.Sc. in Geography from Tuk U. in 1994, and is now working >his way through part time M.Sc. studies in Meteorology focusing on fractal >based computer modeling of weather patterns. John Winters has kindly been >hiring on Davis each summer as his on-board instant weather predictor. > >Richard Culpeper > >---------- > >> John Winters wrote>: >--snip-- >> >I also carry with me on my boat a Davis instant weather predictor. >--snip-- >> >> John, would you describe this weather predictor and how you have used it? >> I assume it's barometer-based? >> >> Thanks, please tell us more, >> John Somers > Ah, Paddlewise, wise-asses forever--far as the eye can see! {:~) Cheers, JS *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
John wrote; >John, would you describe this weather predictor and how you have used it? >I assume it's barometer-based? Most of it is just signs to look for like wind direction, clouds, etc although there is reference to barometric pressure. I treat it like a reminder to keep checking the signs. For beginners who have little or no knowledge of the weather it really comes in handy. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
735769_at_ican.net wrote: > Most of it is just signs to look for like wind direction, clouds, etc > although there is reference to barometric pressure. I treat it like a > reminder to keep checking the signs. For beginners who have little or no > knowledge of the weather it really comes in handy. All of these aids are usefull but there is no substitute for time outdoors. Read the books, carry the field guids and refer to them as you observe and make guesses as to what the weather will do over the next few hours. Try to figure out why you guessed wrong when you miss, and what was the tip that allowed you to get it right. Direct observation will nearly always work for the next few hours. Next day forecasts are not nearly as important as what is happening now and what will happen in the next hour. You can plan for the future, but you must act now. michael *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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