On the subject of pogies... I have used neoprene pogies in the past and find their weight to be a problem. As a touring kayaker and not a free ride whitewater guy, my hands are lifted up and down thousands of times an hour. The nylon pogies I have used are a pain to get on because they have limp openings (always a problem). My solution has been to make my own pogies out of heat seal waterproof nylon and sewn in fleece. The opening is held open by the stiffness of the materials and they are as light as feathers. Hands are warm, rolling is easy, and they cost me all of a whopping 5 bucks to make. Cheap and a better fix! Brian _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free _at_yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Edward, For serious cold weather paddling I use neoprene gloves - yes they're not as comfortable as having bare hands on the paddle shaft (ala pogies), but the added warmth when my hands are wet and the added security of having hand protection if I dump make them worthwhile for me. Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska > -----Original Message----- > From: Edward Sullivan [mailto:sullivaned_at_pop.mts.kpnw.org] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 7:38 AM > To: paddlewise > Subject: [Paddlewise] pogies > > > Mine are of the neoprene ilk, which seem to capilate water, > and are not > snug enough to function as neoprene should. Waterproof would seem more > efficatious. Any experience? Sources? > > Wanting to break ice* and paddle, > > E. > > p.s. Well, the ice is really only in the birdbaths, but we > are having a > white one here in [frozen]Puddletown. > > A very merry, y'all. > > * My dad was just telling me about foresting in the northwoods in fall > in the '40s and afixing sheet metal to the bow of a big motorized work > canoe to keep lanes open in a lake he was surveying. Real men > back then. > 200 pounds of salt pork on a tump-line**. > > ** http://www.civilization.ca/membrs/fph/tsimsian/tratr01e.html *** > > > *** can I get any more tangential? > ************************************************************** > ************* > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > ************************************************************** > ************* > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Excuse me.... I use nylon pogies for year and would recommend them over neoprene because they are so limp in the openings. Mine have a nylon spine up the centre that keeps it's shape and are far superior to the neoprene for taking off and on in a hurry. They were only $9.00 at the time. I tried using fleece in some homemade pogies for the winter but found that the fleece gets too wet and not any good after a while. Kirby -----Original Message----- From: Brian Windrope [SMTP:bwindrope_at_yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 10:51 AM To: paddle wise Subject: [Paddlewise] pogies On the subject of pogies... I have used neoprene pogies in the past and find their weight to be a problem. As a touring kayaker and not a free ride whitewater guy, my hands are lifted up and down thousands of times an hour. The nylon pogies I have used are a pain to get on because they have limp openings (always a problem). My solution has been to make my own pogies out of heat seal waterproof nylon and sewn in fleece. The opening is held open by the stiffness of the materials and they are as light as feathers. Hands are warm, rolling is easy, and they cost me all of a whopping 5 bucks to make. Cheap and a better fix! Brian _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free _at_yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
There's a group of us who paddle every Sunday morning on Lake Michigan here in Milwaukee. Sure sometimes it's way too cold, or way too rough given the temperatures, so we go for coffee at a French bakery, but this is very rare. Pogies are the favorite in the group, followed closely by an open palm mitt from Great River Outfitters. I've yet to find a suitable pair of neoprene gloves that actually keep my hands, especially the fingers, as warm. Does anyone know of another open palm mitt out there? Those who are using neoprene gloves, do they keep your fingers warm when the water temp is 32.5 degrees Fahrenheit, and the air temp. is around 0 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit, with some wind thrown in for good measure? I get cold in much less condtions than these with neoprene gloves, but stay warm in my pogies. Happy Holidays to all! John Browning *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I used to paddle in conditions like that until I moved up here to Alaska - our waters here rarely get that cold. Mid-winter paddling on Lake Michigan can be cold and icy - but kayakers own the water in the winter<g>. I prefer a combination of neoprene gloves and pogies when conditions are bitter. I'm always thinking about conditions when my body is in the water (perhaps I'm over-focussed on this, but I started my paddling life as an OC-1 paddler - couldn't roll that puppy, but I'm one darn good rapid swimmer<g>) and that's why I feel that gloves are so important. When my hands are on the paddle and my behind is where it belongs then pogies are warmer - but if I go for a swim those previously pogie-protected fingers can get numb and functionless rather quickly if they don't have some sort of protection. Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska > -----Original Message----- > From: WildConect_at_aol.com [mailto:WildConect_at_aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 12:33 PM > To: paddlewise > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] pogies > > > There's a group of us who paddle every Sunday morning on Lake > Michigan here in > Milwaukee. Sure sometimes it's way too cold, or way too rough > given the > temperatures, so we go for coffee at a French bakery, but > this is very rare. > Pogies are the favorite in the group, followed closely by an > open palm mitt > from Great River Outfitters. I've yet to find a suitable > pair of neoprene > gloves that actually keep my hands, especially the fingers, > as warm. Does > anyone know of another open palm mitt out there? > > Those who are using neoprene gloves, do they keep your > fingers warm when the > water temp is 32.5 degrees Fahrenheit, and the air temp. is > around 0 to 10 > degrees Fahrenheit, with some wind thrown in for good > measure? I get cold in > much less condtions than these with neoprene gloves, but stay > warm in my > pogies. > > Happy Holidays to all! > > John Browning > > ************************************************************** > ************* > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > ************************************************************** > ************* > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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