Ralph Diaz wrote: >This is not solely the perogative of canoes. It's pretty standard stuff >with the Kleppers et al double folders. One of the ways of righting one >with minimum water staying in the cockpit is to dive under into that air >pocket, get a breather and relax a bit (not too much a la the kittenish >LeBlancs :-)), agree which direction you will flip the boat, and voila >you have the folding double over with little water in it. Anyone else remember the Capistrano Flip? Written up in AWA Journal back in the mid to late 60s, I think by a guy named Walt Drummond of Capistrano Beach (Someone else also revived it in a Canoe Mag article in the early 80s?). Walt used to surf Grummans in the ocean off California and developed this for when he flipped. He'd get under the boat in the middle, break the suction by lifting so one gunnel was out of the water, give a big scissors kick (frog kick?) and flip the boat back upright with hardly any water in it. Climb back in and continue playing. He got good enough at it that he'd see a wave coming too big to surf and purposely flip the boat, ending up under it so that the bottom of the boat would take the force of the break. He'd wait for the wave to pass, do his flip and catch the next wave. He used to do pool demos of his technique where he's sitting on the bottom in the center of the canoe, someone would yell "go," and he'd dump, do his Capistrano Flip, and be back in, sitting on the bottom of the boat in some incredibly short time. I don't remember exactly, but it was like 5 or 10 seconds, start to finish. He was a really big guy (6'5"?) and obviously a really strong swimmer. Sounds like something both kayaks and canoes could work on. Dana and Bob, you're it <grin>! Hank Hays *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hank Hays wrote: > > Anyone else remember the Capistrano Flip? Written up in AWA Journal back > in the mid to late 60s, I think by a guy named Walt Drummond of Capistrano > Beach (Someone else also revived it in a Canoe Mag article in the early > 80s?). > It's been a part of the basic ACA canoe course for years. Thanks for the historical background. I'd always wondered about the romantic name. Steve -- Test Scoring & Reporting Services Sometimes, you never can University of Georgia always tell what you Athens, GA 30602-5593 least expect the most. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Capistrano Flip? > >Sounds like something both kayaks and canoes could work on. Dana and Bob, >you're it <grin>! > >Hank Hays > And all this time I thought the Idea was to stay in the boat. I have done a few rolls off the bottom does that count? (sand rolls down here) Canoe , thats one of them big bulky things us kayakers like some one on a camping trip to paddle so the 48 qt cooler doesn't have to stay in the car. right. Never touch one of them things except to push them out of the way. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph, that was some interesting info on Walt Drummond's Capistrano flip. I have seen pictures of him surfing some very large waves in his huge Grumman canoe. Very impressive, but he must have been totally nuts. I don't think closed deck sea kayaks with normal sized cockpits could really perform this technique to the same degree of effectiveness, but there is an analog that is worth mentioning. When the kayak is upside down, prepare to flip it upright from the stern end. Just before flipping however, put as much weight as you can on the stern to sink it a little bit. A significant amount of water will run out of the cockpit as the bow lifts up. Then quickly flip the kayak upright. It takes a little practice, but most people should be able to do it. This is a great way to cut pumping time in half or more after a capsize. Of course, an eskimo roll cuts pumping time to nil... :) Kevin ___________________ / Kevin Whilden \ |Dept. of Geosciences \___ |University of Washington \ |kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu| \________________________/ On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, Hank Hays wrote: > Ralph Diaz wrote: snip > Anyone else remember the Capistrano Flip? Written up in AWA Journal back > in the mid to late 60s, I think by a guy named Walt Drummond of Capistrano > Beach (Someone else also revived it in a Canoe Mag article in the early > 80s?). snip > > Sounds like something both kayaks and canoes could work on. Dana and Bob, > you're it <grin>! > > Hank Hays > > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 14:53 02-01-99 -0500, Steve Cramer <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu> wrote: >Hank Hays wrote: >> >> Anyone else remember the Capistrano Flip? Written up in AWA Journal back >> in the mid to late 60s, I think by a guy named Walt Drummond of Capistrano >> Beach (Someone else also revived it in a Canoe Mag article in the early >> 80s?). >> >It's been a part of the basic ACA canoe course for years. Thanks for the >historical background. I'd always wondered about the romantic name. > >Steve >-- thanks from here also ;-) i've been teaching this "cool flip" technique for a few years [as steve said, it's a well established part of the ACA course] and what swallows and canoes had to do with each other [of course, then i read john & susan's account, and didn't want to think about it any more ;-p <grin> sorry all, just getting caught up on my mail ;-) and as you can see, i'm up to the 2nd of the month!! mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page #-Fortune: "In a world without fences, who needs 'Gates'" -- Scott McNealy, CEO Sun Microsystems "In a world without walls, who needs 'Windows'" -- Dave Livigni *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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