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From: Jennifer Joy <jjoy_at_tri.sbc.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] best place to realistically try boats (N.Am)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:37:26 -0600 (CST)
I'm wondering if someone could offer a place in the United States or Canada 
where one might be able to try out a boat in more than a duck pond. That 
is, with wind and waves, but nothing too serious.  A symposium would be
ok, too, but again, I don't want to be in a flat lake.  I can't tell a 
darned thing there about whether I will be crying in the wind.

I am interested in narrow, small in cockpit volume boats with relatively
low fordeck, and flat rear decks, designed for small people.

If I could find these boats (and any others you might suggest) it would
be primo (the more in one place the better):
P&H Sirius
Romany 16
Falcon 16
sparrow hawk
slipstream
??

If you know of any used ones ... well, let me know.

Thanks,
 Jennifer
(Austin, TX)

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From: <WILAX_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] best place to realistically try boats (N.Am)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:14:00 EST
I went to a local paddle shop's open house.  They had all the boats they sell
and the manufacturers reps there.  We were able to spend hours trying each
one.  The good thing is in the northeast there is rarely a calm day.  During
the day the wind kicked up along with the wwaves.  It was  an ideal day for
testing under real conditions.  You may have to travel a bit to get away from
the lakes of TX.

Tom
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From: Robert C. Cline <rcline_at_onramp.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] best place to realistically try boats (N.Am)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:22:47 -0600
>so how was it?
>
>are you buying the romany? :)
>
>jen

I was pleased with the paddle area at Sweetwater Kayaks. Wow!  I was there
over the weekend...I never saw so many powerboats in my life (I wasn't too
fond of that part!).  It was like a freeway getting out of the harbor!  And
yes... the location at Sweetwater is an excellent place to try out boats.
The put in is just behind the store in protected water.  It is only a short
paddle to the Gulf so you can transition from protected harbor...to an open
area that catches a little swell...then to the open Gulf.  What more could
you want?  Eddies...standing waves maybe?

 My lessons with Scott Williams went great.  I was a little disappointed
that I didn't get the BCU assessment in.  From reading the 4 star
qualifications, I had thought that I was closer to that. We went through
the 3 star class which is done in flat water when I had actually hoped to
do more "rough water" work.  That will come next.  BCU standards are pretty
demanding and the basic strokes need to be demonstrated with more finess
and control that I had at the time.  I've committed to getting more BCU
instruction and working towards the awards.  I went away with lots of stuff
to work on and I plan to go back to take the 3 Star assessment and begin
working towards the 4 Star award.

I'd like to hear from anyone who has attended the Anglesey School, or other
kayaking schools in the UK.  I would think that would be an interesting
experience.

Still lots to work on.  I was quite impressed with Scott's teaching skills
as well as his knowledge and experience.  I enjoyed being with him... and
the entire crew at Sweetwater Kayaks.  I had an hour or so of instruction
with Lawson Mitchell a couple of weeks before and he too was an excellent
instructor...thus, his epithet:  "Awsome Lawson."

Among other things, we worked on my roll and I increased my competence with
bracing...Scott taught me the sweeping brace from total commitment in the
water...also a fully committed brace (like the C to C with no setup or
sweep) from a knockdown.  Cool!  I tried the fully committed brace in the
Jubilee and I rapped my knuckels on the Skeg Slider.  (Wonder if one can
get the slider aft of the cockpit?)

And yes...I bought a Romany Explorer.  I considered the Jubilee but decided
on the Romany.  It's built like a tank!  I am now waiting on delivery.
There were a lot of things I liked about the Romany, maneuverability being
one of the more important aspects about it.  It was more comfortable than
the Jubilee and the stern was lower.  Guess I'll be selling my Falcon 18...
(The Falcon incidentally has a great seat.  It has been the most
comfortable boat for me to sit in.)  I plan on modifying the seat back in
the Romany to add more support.  Daggar I understand has a seat back that
fits.  Any other suggestions?

Robert

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From: Len Van Halm <LenV_at_ITEXJSY.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] best place to realistically try boats (N.Am)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:36:24 -0000
Hi Robert,

	If it is rough water training you want you should go to
Anglesey. You can paddle rough water in the tidal races with no wind
around and the sun shining seals popping their heads up a few meters
from your kayak, I've had a baby seal play with my front toggle a few
years ago. A lot of sea caves that you can paddle through. The staff at
Nigel's centre are great, there is a bar on site for the recap on the
days exiting paddling. The best time of the year to go is May, there is
a big kayak meet beginning of May organised by the Nordkapp Trust

	I wish I could go this year. (sniff, sniff)

	Groetjes, Len 

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Robert C. Cline [SMTP:rcline_at_onramp.net]
	Sent:	13 March 1999 15:23
	To:	Jennifer Joy; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
	Subject:	Re: [Paddlewise] best place to realistically try
boats (N.Am)

	I'd like to hear from anyone who has attended the Anglesey
School, or other
	kayaking schools in the UK.  I would think that would be an
interesting
	experience.


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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_interlog.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] best place to realistically try boats (N.Am)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:39:47 -0500
"Robert C. Cline" wrote:

>   I tried the fully committed brace in the
> Jubilee and I rapped my knuckels on the Skeg Slider.  (Wonder if one can
> get the slider aft of the cockpit?)

This seems to be a common complaint of late. (Recent reviews of boats in
Sea Kayaker had comments to this effect and the designers promised
to rectify the problem).  Perhaps we should put this into the text book for
Kayak Design 101.

Mike



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