BTW, Since I have not received an answer to my e-mail of 10 days ago, I am taking the liberty of posting this in a number of paddling lists. It seems many others, including a leading US kayak manufacturer and retailer, have had identical experiences with Lendal Carbon blades and it appears this is the reason the blades are no longer being produced. Consequently, this would seem to reinforce the validity of my claim that the blades are defective. Thank you Bob Denton -----Original Message----- From: Bob Denton Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:33 AM To: 'Marianne Wilson' Subject: RE: Lendal Carbon Blades There was no edge damage prior to the break. The paddle was a couple of months old and used 2 or 3 hours each weekend and stored in a cool, dry place. I have never experienced any problems with my other carbon and light weight paddles including a glass Archipelago which is a few years old. I have subsequently replaced the carbon blades on the crank shaft with a new pair of glass Archipelagoes (I was careful to use cheap epoxy when I initially put the paddle together) and the glass blades are not much heavier then the carbon Nordkapps. I do, however, feel like I have gotten the proverbial shaft from Lendal and GRO. If you can honestly state that your injection machine NEVER made a mistake and ALWAYS produced a perfect paddle and the Lendal has NEVER had a manufacturing defect, then I'll accept that some rogue stole into my garage and abused the paddle while I was at work. (I never found blood, other stains, marks or bits of rubber on the blades). I know that I have been quite careful with the blades and can't believe that the blade just broke. Cheers! -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Wilson [mailto:info_at_lendal.com] <mailto:[mailto:info_at_lendal.com]> Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:05 AM To: Bob Denton Subject: RE: Lendal Carbon Blades Unfortunately we have none of these blades available as we stopped resin injection over two years ago. The problem that you are experiencing is being caused by water entering the blade through damage on the edges or where the blade has been folded. One solution is to dry the blade out completely, re glue with epoxy resin and clap tightly until the glue is set. The edges should also be repaired and can be reinforced with a tape around the outside edge. Another alternative is to replace the blade with a carbon nylon blade. But as you will need to cut out the existing blade 6cms below the neck this will upset the balance of the shaft if it is a modified crank. The resin injection method of making blades is to lay in dry material and fill the closed mould with a measured shot of resin which is metered by the machine. There is no way that the full amount of resin is not injected every time. The only reason that delamination occurs is because water has entered the blade. If you require a Carbon Nylon blade then you can contact Stan at GRO and he will be able to supply you with them. Regards, Sam > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Denton [mailto:BDenton_at_aquagulf.com] <mailto:[mailto:BDenton_at_aquagulf.com]> > Sent: 08 April 1999 20:55 > To: Marianne Wilson > Subject: RE: Lendal Carbon Blades > > > I sent my blade to Stan who stated that there is nothing they can do. I > don't know if that was because he thought It was my fault or because he > couldn't replace the blade anyway. > > I can peel the laminate off like peeling an orange. A local glass worker > looked at the blade and stated that it was a "dry lamination". > > Would it be worth sending a sample of the blade to the UK? > > cu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marianne Wilson [mailto:info_at_lendal.com] <mailto:[mailto:info_at_lendal.com]> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:30 AM > To: bdenton_at_aquagulf.com <mailto:bdenton_at_aquagulf.com> > Subject: Lendal Carbon Blades > > Dear Mr Benton, > > Unfortunately continuous stressing on the blade (by pushing > off the beach, > ground etc.) could cause the blades to fold. Also when the > edges of the > blades are damaged and not repaired water can get in and > cause further > damage and delamination which all weakens the blade. > > We have at the present time replaced the cabin blades with a > new material > called Carbon/nylon which is a Carbon and Nylon chemically > engineered > mixture. This blade is lightweight, durable and strong and > because it is > not a composite blade you will have no problems with edge > damage etc. > > We are currently working on a new Pre-preg carbon blade > which will be > similar in look to the old blade but will be made by a > different method > using different materials. The Prepreg materials allow the > blade to be much > more resilient to edge damage. We are hoping that the new > blade will be out > towards the end of this year. > > The Carbon blades that Great River Outfitters have will be > perfectly > adequate if looked after and any damage to the edges is > repaired. Some > people like to tape round the edge of the blade to minimise > damage. > > If you have any further enquiries please do not hesitate to > contact us. > > Kind regards, > > Samantha Wilson > -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Wilson [mailto:info_at_lendal.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:05 AM To: Bob Denton Subject: RE: Lendal Carbon Blades Unfortunately we have none of these blades available as we stopped resin injection over two years ago. The problem that you are experiencing is being caused by water entering the blade through damage on the edges or where the blade has been folded. One solution is to dry the blade out completely, re glue with epoxy resin and clap tightly until the glue is set. The edges should also be repaired and can be reinforced with a tape around the outside edge. Another alternative is to replace the blade with a carbon nylon blade. But as you will need to cut out the existing blade 6cms below the neck this will upset the balance of the shaft if it is a modified crank. The resin injection method of making blades is to lay in dry material and fill the closed mould with a measured shot of resin which is metered by the machine. There is no way that the full amount of resin is not injected every time. The only reason that delamination occurs is because water has entered the blade. If you require a Carbon Nylon blade then you can contact Stan at GRO and he will be able to supply you with them. Regards, Sam > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Denton [mailto:BDenton_at_aquagulf.com] <mailto:[mailto:BDenton_at_aquagulf.com]> > Sent: 08 April 1999 20:55 > To: Marianne Wilson > Subject: RE: Lendal Carbon Blades > > > I sent my blade to Stan who stated that there is nothing they can do. I > don't know if that was because he thought It was my fault or because he > couldn't replace the blade anyway. > > I can peel the laminate off like peeling an orange. A local glass worker > looked at the blade and stated that it was a "dry lamination". > > Would it be worth sending a sample of the blade to the UK? > > cu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marianne Wilson [mailto:info_at_lendal.com] <mailto:[mailto:info_at_lendal.com]> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:30 AM > To: bdenton_at_aquagulf.com <mailto:bdenton_at_aquagulf.com> > Subject: Lendal Carbon Blades > > Dear Mr Benton, > > Unfortunately continuous stressing on the blade (by pushing > off the beach, > ground etc.) could cause the blades to fold. Also when the > edges of the > blades are damaged and not repaired water can get in and > cause further > damage and delamination which all weakens the blade. > > We have at the present time replaced the cabin blades with a > new material > called Carbon/nylon which is a Carbon and Nylon chemically > engineered > mixture. This blade is lightweight, durable and strong and > because it is > not a composite blade you will have no problems with edge > damage etc. > > We are currently working on a new Pre-preg carbon blade > which will be > similar in look to the old blade but will be made by a > different method > using different materials. The Prepreg materials allow the > blade to be much > more resilient to edge damage. We are hoping that the new > blade will be out > towards the end of this year. > > The Carbon blades that Great River Outfitters have will be > perfectly > adequate if looked after and any damage to the edges is > repaired. Some > people like to tape round the edge of the blade to minimise > damage. > > If you have any further enquiries please do not hesitate to > contact us. > > Kind regards, > > Samantha Wilson > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************Received on Wed Apr 21 1999 - 07:15:29 PDT
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