I see I stirred a hornet's nest for suggesting that perhaps people who have not paddled in groups might not be qualified to speak out about the phenomenon. Some of the followup comments seem quite useful. 1. As always, Dave Kruger hit the point better than I did regarding one of the distinguishing aspects of group paddling that makes it different than other group endeavors...the sea scatter effect. This makes it difficult for groups to stay together especially when conditions are changing. We were having a discussion on another thread about how beginners generally do have trouble keeping a boat going straight and this contributes to scatter. Scatter is something unique to the group dynamics seen in paddling. If you want to tax your abilities as a group trip leader, try crossing the nearly mile wide Hudson in NY Harbor with the currents running fast up or down the river and the winds blowing at just 10 to 15 knots. Do it with group of 10 people, half fairly recent paddlers. Figure out what it takes to keep the group together so that the paddlers don't scatter or get strung out to form shooting gallery ducks for ferries, sailboats intent on tacking and motorboats with their distracted skippers and passengers admiring the city skyline. Group dynamics from other pursuits and theory are limited in dealing with this phenomenon. 2. I think that Joan Spinner also added a valuable contribution...i.e. the feedback that a beginner participant can give regarding how a group looks from his/her perspective. That is very important. Every group should seek such a viewpoint prior to the trip, during the trip and after the trip. What might seem easy to an experienced paddler may not be for a less experienced paddler. Such feedback helps keep a group trip safer and more fun. One problem I see in some trips is that there isn't that feedback. People with less stamina are pushed too hard...they feel it ain't macho to voice their fatigue...and then things can go wrong. 3. Peter Osman in his post brought up an important point too...the tendency of group leaders or organizations to be too set in their ways and mandate dogmatic requirements that may not apply to all boats and all paddlers. Flexibility is important in a group. 4. As for the rest of the comments, sure, people with inexperience who say they have not paddled in groups but want to opine about it...fine. But why not first try paddling with a group or two, observe how things go, apply what you know from other group situations and then let this group know. That would be extremely valuable and I for one would love to hear what you have to say. best, ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************Received on Thu Apr 01 1999 - 05:57:18 PST
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