[Paddlewise] Group Paddling - A warning

I will attempt one last time to make this post by sacrificing a virgin 
to the email gods.

To Sarah Ohmann;

:  I guess by your call all the folks on
:  this list who have had a problem with
:  a group are not fit to be leaders.

For the sake of clarifying the obvious, I will quote part of what I 
stated in my original post.

>  and this leader fails to keep control of the group,

Take note of the word control. It does not mean problem. Once you 
understand the difference the rest of your argument is irrelevant.

:  or b) have a leadership style
:  similar to that of Slobodan Milosevic.

You and Mr. Kruger imply that authoritarian leadership means a heavy 
hand. I recommend you add a course or two in leadership to add to your 
paddling education so that you may understand the difference. I will 
again refer you to the original message.

>  Your group leader may be the nicest or the
>  meanest SOB you ever met, but maintaining
>  control over any situation, or preventing
>  it in the first place, is what counts.

Some of the best leaders I have ever paddled with never had to raise 
their voice except to overcome wind or distance.

:  Maybe instead of slamming people you could
:  say something constructive about how you
:  prevent problems????

I would suggest I did just what you ask.

To Dave Kruger;

:  I think I'll learn something from your
:  response.  I'm waiting ...

My response to Ms. Ohmann should satisfy your curiosity.

To Dana Decker;

:  Some people only see back and white
:  and can't see all the other shades
:  out there. They are best ignored.

I would tend to agree.

To Ralph Diaz;

<partial quote. see original for proper context> 
:  ...people's salaries, promotions and
:  careers are on the line and they
:  tend to listen better...i.e. money
:  is on the line.

I would propose that people's lives are on the line, and are a better 
motivation than money. I will agree that different conditions will 
present themselves on the water than will present themselves in other 
situations. This only calls for a different set of solutions, and not 
the abandonment of managerial and leadership skills.

If this is again eaten by the email gods you're on your own.

john

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