RE: [Paddlewise] Hydration systems/electrolytes

Dave,
the difference will be "smoother" energy--less spikes followed by drops in
the "strength/speed" you feel capable of. And beyond this, this type of
feeding protects the muscle from catabolic metabolism, so recovery is
faster, and increases in fitness occur faster.  Just any protein will not
do. It needs to be high in bioavailabilty, and you can pretty much rule out
soy protein.

The carb needs to be complex, nothing like dextrose sugar.....in other
words, you need a carb like rice, NOT a carb like table sugar.  Iron Tek
makes a bar pretty much ideal for this ( www.iron-tek.com ) as does Met
Rex...MLO may be another choice. As one other poster mentioned, this protein
intake will force you to drink much more more fluid than a carb alone---but
you really  need to be drinking as much as possible anyway. You might even
have one bottle with hydra fuel and one with pure water ( even though hydra
fuel or cytomax are hypotonic, pure water is better for you around your
meals.

The bar could be your two-2.5 hour feed, with a sip of  hydra fuel every 10
to 15 minutes to keep you hydrated.

Regards,
Dan Volker


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
[mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Dave Kruger
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 8:21 AM
To: dlv_at_gate.net; PaddleWise
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hydration systems/electrolytes


Dan Volker wrote (as part of a dialog with Bill Hansen):

> Many cyclists also have a long slow day in their  weekly training  (LSD
> day) , where they may ride for 4 to 7 hours. Energy expenditures are
> relatively low throughout this long ride (slow speeds relative to
> competitive rides), so the comparison with kayaking becomes far closer.
> Particularly with these long rides, major performance differences occur
when
> using the Hydra fuel or Cytomax products over water, as your body's
glycogen
> levels in muscles and liver supply drop sharply after 2 hours without
> feeding  (even at low power outputs).
>
> On these long rides, every 2.5 to 3 hours, a high protein medium carb
> product needs to be consumed (2 to 1 ration, like 30 grams of protein and
> 15 grams of carb. This assumes you maintain a high level of hydration at
all
> times. We expect to consume at least a gallon of water in 5 hours, and
with
> heat this could double. )
>
> I am aware of the tendency of some athletes to use carb only in this
> scenario, but there are much better reasons for the protein and carb
> feeding, than I can go into in this short post.  If you like, I can go
into
> them with a future post.

Yeah, I like (although we may be the only three interested).  Here's why:
I have traditionally hit the fluids and mainly the carbos on longer, more
demanding days on the water.  Sometimes I have supplemented the carbos
(candy bars and/or bread stuff) with a little protein (peanuts/hummus,
etc.), but NEVER in a 2:1 protein:carbo ratio.  Not an athlete here, that's
for sure, but adding significant protein would be a big change in my
on-the-water dietary regime.  Is this 2:1 protein:carbo stuff going to make
any difference to the average, out-of-shape nonathletic paddler like me?
Be kind ...

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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