I gotta agree 100% with Tim on this one. *Whatever* you think, learning to deal with the 360 degree circle that is centered on your belly button <or so> is the essence of boat TILT <and hull control>. To paddle the boat flat takes balance and an elementary knowledge of TILT. To edge the boat and turn <carve> takes a bit more of an understanding of TILT. To feel comfortable with passing the PONR <point of no return> and rolling over, then back up takes a complete understanding. Tim is just saying that any kayaker worth his salt should have a *bombproof* understanding of this concept. It's not just for the 180 degrees above the surface!! ;^) Steve Scherrer Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr Portland, Oregon 97217 Phone: 503.285.0464 Fax: 503.285.0106 Web: http://www.aldercreek.com Email: aldercreek_at_aldercreek.com Email: acks_at_teleport.com On Wed, 12 May 1999 15:06:20 -0700 "Mattson, Timothy G" <timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com commented on [Paddlewise] Paddle floats >>Oh, this is fun. I just love our rolling discussions. John made a comment in his last post I just have to respond to... Why do you learn to roll? Because you will be able to get right side up after a capsize. Why do you capsize? Because you might get caught in conditions you can't handle. Why did you get caught in conditions you can't handle? Duhhhhhhhh I learn to roll because its fun. I would still roll even if all I paddled in was perfectly flat, calm water. I dispute your claim that the roll is needed because you find yourself in conditions you can't handle. A capsize doesn't mean the general conditions are beyond your ability to control the boat. If this is what you belive, John, then you are seriously mistaken about the role of rolling. The roll lets me play with conditions that I would otherwise have to paddle in survival mode. A capsize doesn't always mean you can't handle the conditions . It means an isolated event caught you off gaurd. It means you tried to put the kayak into a weird position that didn't quite work (eg. an ender or a flat spin). As long as the conditions don't prevent you from rolling and you're in control, you can handle the conditions --- even if they regularly cause you to capsize. The best example of this is the surf zone. If I didn't have the roll, the surf zone would be a place to avoid. If I had to spend time in the surf, it would be to launch and land as quickly as possible. But because of the roll, I can go out and play in the surf. Sure it flips me quite a bit (I never said I was any good at surfing), but I just pop back up and go out for more. Just because I flip when I surf doesn't mean I can't handle the surf conditions. By having a roll, I lean that much harder when I carve turns. I can head into a tide rip and play 'cause I know if I make a mistake and flip, I can pop right back up. I can aggressively use sculling and draw strokes and not worry about the consequences of a mistake. Rolling lets me more fully experience paddling. Its a liberating skill that opens up huge opportunities for more fulfilling paddling. - --Tim *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************Received on Wed May 12 1999 - 19:02:00 PDT
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