Dave, Which size cable ties do you use? I assume a pretty small one is required to be flexible enough. Is the little internal keeper rust-prone? Three ties have held my knife sheath to my PFD for about a year, but I'd rather lose my knife than my sprayskirt. Mike Wagenbach *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
M. Wagenbach wrote: > > Dave, > > Which size cable ties do you use? I assume a pretty small one is required > to be flexible enough. > > Is the little internal keeper rust-prone? Three ties have held my knife > sheath to my PFD for about a year, but I'd rather lose my knife than > my sprayskirt. Maybe I'm using the wrong words to describe these things. They are typically nylon, and are used to secure wires to harness points under dashboards and the like. No rusting possible, and I get ones which are 3/16 - 1/4 wide (usually 10 - 12 inches long) to get enough gripping force. I've worried they would come loose, but I've had some on a sprayskirt bungee for two years. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 13 May 1999, Dave Kruger wrote: > M. Wagenbach wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > Which size cable ties do you use? I assume a pretty small one is required > > to be flexible enough. > > > > Is the little internal keeper rust-prone? Three ties have held my knife > > sheath to my PFD for about a year, but I'd rather lose my knife than > > my sprayskirt. > > Maybe I'm using the wrong words to describe these things. They are > typically nylon, and are used to secure wires to harness points under > dashboards and the like. > > No rusting possible, and I get ones which are 3/16 - 1/4 wide (usually 10 - > 12 inches long) to get enough gripping force. I've worried they would come > loose, but I've had some on a sprayskirt bungee for two years. > We're talking about the same thing: cable ties, wire ties, zip ties; I can't remember any other names. But those I have in front of me here are not 100% nylon. inside the head is a tiny piece of metal, steel I bet, which form the pawl of the ratchet that keeps you from withdrawing the tail after you stick it in. I could envision this being replaced with a plastic pawl, but I don't recall whether I have ever seen that. If the metal corroded, the closure would fail. It could be backed up with glue. Does epoxy stick to nylon? Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
M. Wagenbach wrote: > We're talking about the same thing: cable ties, wire ties, zip ties; I > can't remember any other names. But those I have in front of me here are > not 100% nylon. inside the head is a tiny piece of metal, steel I bet, > which form the pawl of the ratchet that keeps you from withdrawing the > tail after you stick it in. I could envision this being replaced with a > plastic pawl, but I don't recall whether I have ever seen that. And I've never seen them with a metal fitting in the head! > If the metal corroded, the closure would fail. It could be backed up with > glue. Does epoxy stick to nylon? Not well at all. I don't know of anything which adheres well to nylon. Maybe 3M 5200? A big yep to whomever pointed out that relying on cable ties to secure the bungie around the sprayskirt rim may be questionable. I worry about it, and carry spare cable ties, but I feel queasy about it. I may just take needle an thread to mine and sew a nylon sleeve to butt the ends together. No more worries. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 14 May 1999, M. Wagenbach wrote: > We're talking about the same thing: cable ties, wire ties, zip ties; I > can't remember any other names. But those I have in front of me here are > not 100% nylon. inside the head is a tiny piece of metal, steel I bet, > which form the pawl of the ratchet that keeps you from withdrawing the > tail after you stick it in. I could envision this being replaced with a > plastic pawl, but I don't recall whether I have ever seen that. The all-nylon ones are pretty common. These are permanent or nearly so. Look in auto parts stores or hardware depts. Steve Cramer Test Scoring & Reporting Services Sometimes you never can University of Georgia always tell what you Athens, GA 30602-5593 least expect the most. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:39 AM 5/14/99 -0700, M. Wagenbach wrote: >If the metal corroded, the closure would fail. It could be backed up with >glue. Does epoxy stick to nylon? Not very well, but it would help. Good luck. Hank Hays Lightning Paddles *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>At 11:39 AM 5/14/99 -0700, M. Wagenbach wrote: >>If the metal corroded, the closure would fail. It could be backed up with >>glue. Does epoxy stick to nylon? FWIW: Most of the cable ties that I see used are made entirely of Nylon and are typically white although other colors exist. For most applications, the standard Nylon is OK but it does not stand up well to UV radiation (aka sun light). Cable tie manufacturers have a UV resistant formulation available which is typically black in color. I have had several of the standard ones holding cork balls to the grab loops of my spray skirts and also keeping the cut ends of deck bungies from unraveling for several years without a failure but perhaps some caution should be used with your skirt. Here's why: A couple of years ago I was with a group on an evening paddle on the Hudson River near Cold Spring. We stopped while a thunderstorm passed and, when I was about to get back into my boat, the spray skirt bungy knot became undone and the bungy slipped inside the skirt. At first I didn't want to hold up the group but I felt uncomfortable (both literally and figuratively) so I borrowed a pair of needle nose pliers and took the time to fish out the bungy and re-do the knot. Later, during a very dark part of the paddle, the wind kicked up and, if I had a loose skirt, I definitely would have taken on a bunch of water, which may have made my boat tippy, which may have led to a swim in the dark, which may have... The moral: Don't wait until the water is crashing down on your skirt to find out the mechanism for preserving the tension in your bungy doesn't work. So, this is my long winded way of saying that you can get cable ties that are ALL Nylon. Can't you tell it's late on a Friday afternoon? Bill Leonhardt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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