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From: inetex <dlloyd_at_inetex.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Hydration systems/electrolytes-COLD/HOT
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 01:30:53 -0700
In the summers months in the Pacific Northwest, I drink plain water mostly,
while paddling. At rest stops I use a mixture of 50/50 Gatorade (powdered)
and plain water, or juice cut 75% with water. I don't know why, but my
friends who drink the Gatorade straight up always are having to pee at sea,
get more sick and dizzy, and are more tired at the end of the day.

I also love Gatorade cut with scotch at the end of the day, watching the
sun set. My freinds drink booze straight up, and within minutes are
rummaging in their tents for Tums or Rolaids.

I have done a fair bit of towing over the years. I did a big one last year
in 80 degree weather for three hours getting out of a tidal stream,
followed by a three hour moderate tidal paddle along shore (still towing
hard). A private zodiac came out to assist part way through the first three
hours, but I declined the help, and my wife shouted over to the skip that I
enjoyed this sort of stuff. I drank plain water and ate salted peanuts
during raft-ups. This was a hard, manifestly sweaty paddle, but I was fine
with that combo. 

On a resent more desperate paddle this early Spring, I towed a increasingly
hypothermic paddler for 6 hours in a thirty five knot gale and moderate
tidal stream. Total time on water before extraction by rescue vessels was 8
hours. That was 8 hours with no food, but I was never hungry once, though I
had special fat burning power bars. My only problem was keeping hydrated. I
was using a mixture of watered-down Gatorade. I never got exhausted, never
cramped, never ran out of energy, and never got cold, though I did slow
down toward the end a bit from muscle strain. I had to raft up to drink,
which was terribly dangerous. My recommendation would be to install or
carry some type of hosed hydration system, if not for convenience, then at
least survival if there is any chance of rough conditions (like long
crossings). I can't water-down that advice. As far as the use of
watered-down Gatorade, I say, yea brothers and sisters, come unto me all
that thirst, and I will give you living water (including bacteria?). I now
believe (even if the stuff tastes awful).

The six days prior to the failed crossing, were done in gale and near gale
head winds almost the whole way, with glacially cooled winds, snow, hail,
and squalls. I ate porridge for breakfast, mini bagels with hunks of cheese
for lunch, power bars (two to three per day), beans and rice for dinner,
alternating with pastas for carbo loading. I drank 50/50 watered-down
Gatorade during the day, and Gatorade straight up with meals. The one real
nice thing about cold weather paddling is that one does not have to endure
lukewarm, bacteria enriched, barf-inducing Gatorade. Everything tastes good
when it is cold. Mixing Gatorade with frozen fingers in the early morning,
however, was a bit to endure. (Bet you have never done that before, Dana of
Florida State :-) ) I also made a thermos of hot tea every morning, to use
at lunch stops for rewarming. (This was also, BTW, my first multi-day trip
where my wet suit booties didn't stink). 
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_interlog.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hydration systems/electrolytes-COLD/HOT
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:30:25 -0400
inetex wrote:

> My recommendation would be to install or
> carry some type of hosed hydration system, if not for convenience, then at
> least survival if there is any chance of rough conditions (like long
> crossings).

Since I paddle on giardia infested water (as do most fresh water paddlers
in North America today), any ideas on how to keep the bite valve of a
hydration system clean and dry?  This is the one thing that has kept me
from using these on the water.

As far as keeping your Gatorade bug free - I haven't tried this but it
seems reasonable.  Since Platypus bottles are boilable, it would
seem that you could fill them with your favorite beverage, close it,
soak it in a pot of boiling water until reasonably sterile (from the
point of view of bacteria and stuff - some viruses won't be killed).
You'd have to purge the bottle of air (since it might expand and
burst the bottle) and ensure that the bottle is underfilled to allow
for expansion of the liquid.

As long as the bottle isn't opened, it should remain clean.  This should
keep a fairly long time.  The seal of the Platypus cap would be the only
weak point that I could see.  Comments?

Mike



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From: Whiterabbit <whiterabbit_at_empowering.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hydration systems/electrolytes-COLD/HOT
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 00:16:00 -0500
The small zip lock bags that parts come in work fairly well.  These are
about 2 inches square.  Drop it over the valve, zip it as far as it will go
so the hose is coming out of a corner of the  zip.  To access grab the bag
by the hose and pull, it will unzip allowing access to the valve.  Always
grab the hose and not the bite valve.

All bets are off if you roll, but I swallow so much water rolling the small
amount on the valve doesn't matter much.


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_interlog.com>
To: inetex <dlloyd_at_inetex.com>
Cc: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net>
Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hydration systems/electrolytes-COLD/HOT


>inetex wrote:
>>
>Since I paddle on giardia infested water (as do most fresh water paddlers
>in North America today), any ideas on how to keep the bite valve of a
>hydration system clean and dry?  This is the one thing that has kept me
>from using these on the water.
>

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