This is not about leashes; I just liked spellcheck's suggestion. Yesterday while paddling, with never a prior hint, I got pains along my right radius 1 - 2 inches from the wrist. This morning there is visible swelling in that area. I assume my feathered paddle is a contributor to this? Somebody recently posted a wrist brace suggestion. Is it an over-the-counter model, or prescribed? I think the same postor also recommended a change of technique which I can't find. I was young and robust back then and deleted it. Could you please send it to me? aside: a recent post about drysuit testing talked about watches under stuff. I use a buck-fifty velcro bike pump strap which is long enough to go over my glacier gloves. Stylish too. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 04-5-1999 1:34:38 PM EST, acks_at_teleport.com writes:> To increase the size of the arc, one must keep the pivot point high, say about your upper <or pivot> hand. This is done by rotating the torso and keeping the top hand and arm position rather static. (snip) > 3. Shaft Angle <vertical drives the boat ahead, With the shaft at a vertical angle, how can you accomplish a stroke by rotating the torso (in a horizontal plane) and not pulling with the water hand? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: Mattson, Timothy G Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 3:08 PM Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Unfettered Paddles/Tendonitis/timepiece aside >I have acquired the ACA manuals for both coastal and white >water instruction. In these manuals, they talk all about the "push-pull" >methods. Furthermore, if you look at 99% of the kayak instruction books on >the market, they also talk about the old "push-pull" methods --- > >So my question is, does the ACA recognize the torso oriented stroke as the >right stroke to teach? Am I going to get hammered when I take the IDW/ICE >and refuse to do the stupid, inefficient arm stroke? I mean I can do it and >mimic what the books tell you to do, but its the WRONG way to paddle a >kayak. Is this a case of the ACA mauals are behind ACA practice, or is the >ACA really stuck in the dark ages of paddling? >--Tim I can't really answer competently for the kayaking instructors, but as an ACA certified canoeing instructor I can say that we do teach Torso Rotation. --Go out of our way to demonstrate it, too. Where I've been at combined instruction, WW kayak instructors pretty much emphasized torso rotation as well. I don't recollect much discussion of push-pull stroking. There are always changes in what is taught or required or recommended in the various instructional books. In some instances techniques have been changed, only to return to the original in the next edition. It's also true that the way I paddle for instruction, wherein I'm modeling the ideal stroke, bears no resemblance to how I paddle in actuality. This is to be expected as one's skills develop. I chain strokes in unusual ways, and there are some that I have no name for. I expect you'd be doing the same. Does this suggest that I have to figure out what the instructor trainer wants? Yep! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> It's also true that the way I paddle for instruction, wherein I'm > modeling the ideal stroke, bears no resemblance to how I paddle in > actuality. This is to be expected as one's skills develop. I chain strokes > in unusual ways, and there are some that I have no name for. I expect you'd > be doing the same. Does this suggest that I have to figure out what the > instructor trainer wants? Yep! It also suggests that ACA doctrine has a doubtful relationship with real-world paddling. If the ideal stroke _bears no resemblance_ to the stroke you like to use "in actuality," is it of value to students to learn and practice it? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>It also suggests that ACA doctrine has a doubtful relationship with >real-world paddling. If the ideal stroke _bears no resemblance_ to the >stroke you like to use "in actuality," is it of value to students to learn >and practice it? > Yes, it is. A new paddler can no more do what I do now than I could have when I began. What I do now has been built upon those techniques I learned. One of the benefits and satisfactions I receive from teaching is that I refresh those basic skills in myself. I have never considered them outmoded or inappropriate. How I paddle now derives directly from those basic strokes. If some of this is different it is nonetheless solidly based on concepts I formed using them. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Ed wrote: Yesterday while paddling, with never a prior hint, I got pains along my right radius 1 - 2 inches from the wrist. This morning there is visible swelling in that area. I assume my feathered paddle is a contributor to this? Somebody recently posted a wrist brace suggestion. Is it an over-the-counter model, or prescribed? I think the same postor also recommended a change of technique which I can't find. I was young and robust back then and deleted it. Could you please send it to me? The following is a repeat of part of the earlier post I made requested by E. Sullivan. Following that is a long rough draft of a sidebar I wrote to a paddling article by George Gronseth in Sea Kayaker magazine years ago. It discusses this problem in much more detail. Sea kayaker used a much abbreviated version as the sidebar. Original post: I never have to bend my wrist to paddle unfeathered. I use a well balanced paddle that doesn't have a heavy side which constantly wants to twist in ones hand due to gravity. While raising my forearms (with my wrists straight) I loosen my grip slightly with both hands and the rotating moment (from pivoting from the elbow --caused by raising the upper hand) spins the paddle in my hand enough to never bend my wrists. Actually when I demonstrate this I can often make the paddle pivot more than 360 degrees and then catch it in the right position to take the next stroke. This "low hand control" also can help an unfeathered paddler who releases the grip only on the upper hand (so they don't have to raise their elbow to remove the 45 degree rotation induced by pivoting the hand up from the elbow--which is much less work than raising the elbow). George came up with this to counter my argument that unfeathered paddlers were working a lot harder because of raising their elbows (unless using a low Eskimo style stroke). My observation was that most feathered paddlers throw straight punches but unfeathered paddlers were throwing left and right hooks (unfortunately most still do but I think George is on to something here. We agreed LOW HAND CONTROL works best. Feathered paddlers should quit using that dainty little push with the palm of their hand forward and a bent wrist on their "control" side. You will have a much more powerful punch to your stroke if the bones and the paddle shaft are all lined up in the direction of the punch. I came to paddling with bad wrists from years of bone jarring pole plants in icy moguls. I learned the usual "control hand" nonsense as a whitewater paddler but when I sea kayaked 20+ miles a day my wrists became very painful. It came down to aborting a two week trip or changing something. After two hours of paddling by carefully pushing with a straight wrist and loose grip my painful wrists were on the mend and I had settled in to the technique I have used ever after. I haven't had a wrist problem due to paddling in the 18 years since then and on one occasion paddled over 70 miles in one 24 hour period with no wrist problems at all. For those feathered paddlers who can't easily break the "bent wrist syndrome", you can force yourself to push with a straight wrist by wearing a wrist brace on your former "control hand". I don't expect many who have habituated to unfeathered will try this. Rough draft of Sea Kayaker sidebar: Matt Broze (former safety editor for Sea Kayaker and one of the designers of Mariner Kayaks) uses feathered paddles. He offers the following advice to reduce the risk of feathered paddles causing wrist problems: Most wrist problems among kayakers appear to be the result of pushing or pulling with the wrist strained in an awkward position. Those of us who paddle feathered were taught to keep the control hand fixed to the paddle, and therefore had to bend that wrist back to get our working blade at the proper angle to the water and then push forward with that wrist bent back. With the wrist bent back the muscles in the forearm must be tensed and the tendons in the wrist must be held under tension to allow the pushing effort to be transferred to the paddle. The tendons are stretched and pulled against the side of the carpal tunnel (where they go through the wrist). An alternative is to let the wrist bend back as far as it will go and then push. While this eases the strain on the forearm muscles, I would guess it puts a lot of pressure on the bones and ligaments in the wrist joint. I paddled whitewater with the control hand fixed to the paddle for several years without major problems. Once I began sea kayaking my control wrist soon became sore because a sea kayaker can't rest and go with the flow as much as a whitewater kayaker. One time, during a two week trip along the west coast of Vancouver Island, I realized I was going to have to take it very easy on my painful wrist or abort the trip. I began to seriously concentrate on taking strain off that wrist. Changing the feather of the paddle to unfeathered or using the opposite control hand were both considered, but that would have meant losing my reflexive whitewater bracing skills. As a paddler relatively new to the ocean coast, with its' boomers, surf, wind waves and large swell (sometimes reflected from cliffs to create very confused seas) that was the option of last resort. One way I reduced the strain was by not paddling as hard. Another was to relax my fingers by opening the upper hand as I pushed with it. Opening whichever hand is pushing allows the paddle to pivot in that hand rather than forcing the wrist to bend from one side to the other over the length of the stroke. For much the same reason, the lower fingers on the pulling hand should be more open than the index finger at the start and early stages of the pulling stroke. This not only allows for a greater forward reach with the paddle but allows the paddle to pivot in the pulling hand keeping that wrist in a more neutral position throughout the stroke. Probably the most important thing I tried was to push with my wrist in line with my forearm and the center of the paddle shaft, avoiding the bent wrist push that had become so natural. That way the arm and hand bones (rather than my sore wrist tendons and/or ligaments) would be transferring the force to the paddle. At first it seemed awkward, but after a few hours of forced practice the motion began to feel more normal. Although I continued to paddle many miles a day on that trip my wrist soon felt better, and I've not had a problem in the more than ten years since, even though I've competed in a few 26 mile races and even one 70 miler ("The Abuse", which caused the rest of my arms to puff up for several days). My advice to any paddler is, DON'T PUSH OR PULL WITH YOUR WRISTS BENT. That's pretty simple to remember, but how do you do that and still use a feathered paddle? I encourage you to develop techniques that work for you. You may want to pick up your paddle and try out some of the techniques that follow. Raising your control hand from the finish of its power stroke into the position to begin the push, will rotate the shaft about 60 degrees (if you keep your elbow near your side, as I advise). At this point you probably need to get the paddle rotated a little more, how much if any, depends on its degree of feathering. There are several possible ways to do this. One is to bend the control wrist back the necessary amount, grip the paddle with the other hand and then loosen the control hand and straighten out the wrist before pushing. You can lessen the amount the control wrist must bend by letting the opposite wrist bend slightly down just before gripping the paddle to begin the pulling stroke. You can even avoid bending the non-control wrist as well. Rotate the shoulder joint forward so your forward hand pivots on the shaft (this raises the elbow instead of bending the wrist). Actually, I'm not recommending this, bending the wrists slightly is probably better because less weight is being lifted (the non-control hand is dropped slightly rather than the entire arm being raised against gravity). When the wrists are not pushing or pulling I doubt bending them slightly is doing much harm. With the techniques mentioned so far the paddle is rotated in (not just by) the control hand and I've violated the most basic paddling instruction: "The control hand stays fixed to the paddle." However, both wrists are in a neutral position during the power phase of the stroke and neither had to bend much even when there was no load on the paddle. The rotational momentum imparted to the paddle by lifting the paddle with the control hand (pivoting from the elbow) can be allowed to continue if you allow a split second delay between releasing the control hand and gripping with the other hand. Momentarily loosening the grip with both hands at the right time allows the paddle to pivot into position without necessarily bending either wrist. I think I do this when I'm paddling hard and therefore snatching the paddle from the water and lifting it quickly by bending my elbow. If your grip is relaxed not only will you be blessed with warmer fingers but, you may also discover you can let the water rotate the paddle for you. When the control hand blade is being lifted at the end of a stroke there is a point when the bottom of the blade is still in the water and the upper half is in the air. By timing this blades withdrawal so you are still pulling that blade a little while simultaneously relaxing the grip on the paddle, the top of the blade will rotate to the rear as it is withdrawn from the water. This could help feathered paddle users get the extra shaft rotation needed to push with a straight wrist. George observed me paddling and doesn't think I am doing this. I'm not sure I do this naturally, but, when I try it, it works. (Note: By doing the opposite, pushing the paddle forward with the bottom of the blade in contact with the water, and maintaining the grip a low brace can be quickly executed.) At the beginning of the pulling stroke (on the non-control side) I definitely use the water to help me control the paddle. By holding the paddle loosely and pulling slightly as the lower corner of the blade enters the water the paddle is AUTOMATICALLY rotated into position for the stroke that has just begun IF IT WASN'T ALREADY IN POSITION. This may not work with all paddles but it works well with mine even though it has an asymmetrical blade. Not only does pushing and pulling with a straighter wrist take some strain off the wrists, it also provides a more efficient and powerful stroke (for much the same reason as paddling with your arms straighter). The reason for the increase in both power and efficiency is that small muscles are not forced to hold a strained position (due to the bent joint) and work against more powerful muscles to allow the powerful muscles to propel the kayak. Not only does holding the paddle loosely at the right times allow the water to effortlessly rotate your paddle to the angle you want, but it also relaxes your forearms and seems to help in relaxing the rest of your body as well. If you don't believe this try relaxing with your fists clenched. Did I already mention the benefit of warmer fingers in this sales pitch? WHEN JUST CRUISING ALONG I HARDLY GRIP THE PADDLE AT ALL. THE WORKING HAND HAS THE FINGERS HOOKED AROUND THE FRONT OF THE SHAFT AND THE FLAT OF THE OVAL IS HELD BETWEEN MY FINGER TIPS AND THE BALL OF MY HAND WITH JUST ENOUGH PRESSURE TO CONTROL ANY BLADE FLUTTER BEYOND ACCEPTABLE LIMITS. THE UPPER HAND PUSHES WITH THE BALL OF THE HAND. THE UPPER HAND'S FINGERS ARE IN A RELAXED POSITION OR, AT TIMES, STRAIGHTENED OUT TO INCREASE BLOOD CIRCULATION TO THEM. THE "CONTROL" HAND DOESN'T GRIP THE PADDLE AT ALL BUT THE PADDLE ROTATES INTO POSITION BY LETTING THE ROTATIONAL MOMENTUM OF THE LIFT CONTINUE UNTIL THE HOOKED FINGERTIPS OF THE WORKING HAND CATCH THE FLAT OF THE (VERY) OVALLED SHAFT. George asked me this question. "After releasing your grip with the control hand and letting the paddle turn in it, how do you get back to the correct position for the pulling stroke on the control hand side?" It seemed to happen quite naturally, until George asked I never gave it a thought. The imbalance of the weight on my 75 degree curved blade paddle (slightly heavier on the convex side) as well as the oval shaft (tending to roll from vertical to horizontal) makes this automatic return to position quite pronounced. But, even when I tried it with a 90 degree feather, flat blades, and a round shaft, it worked. Gravity (and lifting the non-control hand) rolls the shaft down my thumbs rotating it until it's stopped by my fingers. IT'S FUNNY BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONTROL IS REALLY IN MY "NON-CONTROL" HAND'S FINGERS. Another way to get into position would be to delay lifting the rear blade (non-control side) out of the water complete until starting to bring that hand forward and up. With the bottom of the blade still dragging slightly in the water the paddle would rotate into position. (I doubt I'm doing this but George thinks so. Maybe we can take videos and view them a frame at a time, to find out). You might ask, "Why not make your feather angle 45 or 60 degrees so you wouldn't have to move either hand on the paddle shaft, since you say the shaft rotates that much just by bending your elbow?" That's what I asked myself after my sore wrist episode (and after learning that some downriver kayak racers were using 75 degree feathers. Why not try other oddball feathers? I found both 45 and 60 degree feathers worked well. I thought I was on to something until reality reared its ugly head in the form of a strong breeze (15 to 20 mph). Much to my disappointment these feathers had the awkward characteristic of having one blade suddenly fly up and the other tend to dive when paddling into the wind. Even worse, while angling into the wind with the "fly up" blade side more into the wind, I discovered the blade could get easily lifted into a position where a stronger wind might capsize me or take the paddle out of my hand. I tried increasing the feather angle until at about 75 degrees the awkward effects of the wind had all but disappeared. For me something between 70 to 80 degrees of feather seems to be the best compromise. I have no trouble switching between 75 and 90 degrees if necessary, and 75 degrees eliminates having to rotate the paddle an additional 15 degrees. The above attempts at understanding and explanation on my part may be overly complicated but if you force yourself to paddle with your wrists in a neutral position whenever they are under a load I think you will find that it will soon become a habit and you can enjoy all the benefits. Hope this has been helpful. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com -----Original Message----- From: E. Sullivan <sullivaned_at_pop.mts.kpnw.org> To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Unfettered Paddles/Tendonitis/timepiece aside This is not about leashes; I just liked spellcheck's suggestion. Yesterday while paddling, with never a prior hint, I got pains along my right radius 1 - 2 inches from the wrist. This morning there is visible swelling in that area. I assume my feathered paddle is a contributor to this? Somebody recently posted a wrist brace suggestion. Is it an over-the-counter model, or prescribed? I think the same postor also recommended a change of technique which I can't find. I was young and robust back then and deleted it. Could you please send it to me? aside: a recent post about drysuit testing talked about watches under stuff. I use a buck-fifty velcro bike pump strap which is long enough to go over my glacier gloves. 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Yeah, the ACA manual and many books out there *are* incorrect as far as modern forward stroke technique. Even the ACA admits it and issue a replacement article on the forward stroke. A new book is in the works. Steve Scherrer Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr Portland, Oregon 97217 Phone: 503.285.0464 Fax: 503.285.0106 Web: http://www.aldercreek.com Email: aldercreek_at_aldercreek.com Email: acks_at_teleport.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Mattson, Timothy G >Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 3:08 PM >Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Unfettered Paddles/Tendonitis/timepiece aside > > >>I have acquired the ACA manuals for both coastal and white >>water instruction. In these manuals, they talk all about the "push-pull" >>methods. Furthermore, if you look at 99% of the kayak instruction books on >>the market, they also talk about the old "push-pull" methods --- >> >>So my question is, does the ACA recognize the torso oriented stroke as the >>right stroke to teach? Am I going to get hammered when I take the IDW/ICE >>and refuse to do the stupid, inefficient arm stroke? I mean I can do it >and >>mimic what the books tell you to do, but its the WRONG way to paddle a >>kayak. Is this a case of the ACA mauals are behind ACA practice, or is >the >>ACA really stuck in the dark ages of paddling? >>--Tim *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
a few comments later: >> It's also true that the way I paddle for instruction, wherein I'm >> modeling the ideal stroke, bears no resemblance to how I paddle in >> actuality. This is to be expected as one's skills develop. I chain >strokes >> in unusual ways, and there are some that I have no name for. I expect >you'd >> be doing the same. Does this suggest that I have to figure out what the >> instructor trainer wants? Yep! That is an interesting technique. No, I do not do the same. I'm not so sure you would get by <certified> if you linked too many of these un-namable strokes. I observe my candidates in a number of situations, both modeling and *real life* and it is key that the *picture perfect* stroke carry on to their everyday paddling. I am curious what these un-named strokes are and what function they perform? > >It also suggests that ACA doctrine has a doubtful relationship with >real-world paddling. If the ideal stroke _bears no resemblance_ to the >stroke you like to use "in actuality," is it of value to students to learn >and practice it? Now I believe they bear no resemblance in *this* instructors technique. Many instructors do paddle with a more *picture perfect* stroke for obvious reason. These strokes have been analyzed and perfected to provide efficiency in paddling. Just because some paddler thinks he can blend together a bunch of un-named strokes and call it efficient paddling does not make for good role modeling <in or out of class> If my students can get a sense of proper technique from watching me, modeling *or* in real life, I've done my job. Steve Scherrer Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr Portland, Oregon 97217 Phone: 503.285.0464 Fax: 503.285.0106 Web: http://www.aldercreek.com Email: aldercreek_at_aldercreek.com Email: acks_at_teleport.com > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>That is an interesting technique. No, I do not do the same. I'm not so sure >you would get by <certified> if you linked too many of these un-namable >strokes. I observe my candidates in a number of situations, both modeling >and *real life* and it is key that the *picture perfect* stroke carry on to >their everyday paddling. I am curious what these un-named strokes are and >what function they perform? >> >>It also suggests that ACA doctrine has a doubtful relationship with >>real-world paddling. If the ideal stroke _bears no resemblance_ to the >>stroke you like to use "in actuality," is it of value to students to learn >>and practice it? I never stated that these un-named strokes I use in actuality are better then the Official ACA Strokes. They ARE the official strokes. All 32 of them according to RiverMom. I said that I may chain them in ways that I have no names for. I also stated that when I am instructing I use these Official Strokes, because they are exactly what they are intended to be; efficient, energy conserving, and leading to the best ways of paddling. I make it a point, as I'm supposed to do, of doing the best job I can of Modelling those strokes. I am more than aware that I have reached a level of paddling that would be difficult for a novice and that it would do no good to expect him to do what I do.... As to why I used these strokes in these ways? I've grown in my skills and in my experience. I use these combined moves to, say, go down a rapid where I want to go, how I want to get there, and what I want to do along the way, taking into account that I am "going with the flow" and that I must work with what the river throws at me. Think of Picasso. His paintings are made from a complicated visual perspective, where one sees more than one side at a time. Yet, not a few of his works are meticulously and accurately drawn renditions of reality. He was also a master draftsman and that is how he began. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
That makes sense. Granted we all link together all or parts of the ACA Official strokes in our everyday paddling. I would not go calling these link ups un-named. It made it sound like they were a bunch of strokes you invented. I guess I have just became a paddle techy and *do* perform the strokes as near perfect as I can, day in and day out. It seems to have made quite a difference in my efficiency and general paddling. :) Steve Scherrer Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr Portland, Oregon 97217 Phone: 503.285.0464 Fax: 503.285.0106 Web: http://www.aldercreek.com Email: aldercreek_at_aldercreek.com Email: acks_at_teleport.com > I never stated that these un-named strokes I use in actuality >are better then the Official ACA Strokes. They ARE the official strokes. >All 32 of them according to RiverMom. I said that I may chain them in ways >that I have no names for. I also stated that when I am instructing I use >these Official Strokes, because they are exactly what they are intended to >be; efficient, energy conserving, and leading to the best ways of paddling. >I make it a point, as I'm supposed to do, of doing the best job I can of >Modelling those strokes. I am more than aware that I have reached a level >of paddling that would be difficult for a novice and that it would do no >good to expect him to do what I do.... > As to why I used these strokes in these ways? I've grown in my >skills and in my experience. I use these combined moves to, say, go down a >rapid where I want to go, how I want to get there, and what I want to do >along the way, taking into account that I am "going with the flow" and that >I must work with what the river throws at me. > Think of Picasso. His paintings are made from a complicated visual >perspective, where one sees more than one side at a time. Yet, not a few of >his works are meticulously and accurately drawn renditions of reality. He >was also a master draftsman and that is how he began. >> > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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