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From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Concrete Canoe
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:23:54 -0400
May 4, 1999 
Concrete Canoe
McNeese State University's light-weight concrete canoe entry placed third in
the 1999 American Society of Civil Engineering Deep South Regional Concrete
Canoe Competition held in Jonesboro, Ark. Eight schools from Arkansas,
Louisiana and Mississippi competed in this event. 
This is the first time McNeese has placed in this regional competition,
according to faculty adviser Dr. Jay Uppot. Eleven civil engineering
students in the ASCE McNeese chapter worked on design and construction of
the concrete canoe nicknamed the Jolly Roger. 
Team captains for the race were Brian Price, Lake Charles, and Kraig Tarou,
Sulphur. Others who worked on the project were: Cliff Brouhard, Lake
Charles; Byron Foret, Moss Bluff; Brenda Harwell, Bailey, Colo.; Nathan
Jordan, Sulphur; Ricci Lambert, DeRidder; Vicki Ponthieux, Iowa; Javier
Reynaud, Honduras; Greg Roberts, DeRidder; and Lee Skellham, Lake Charles. 

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From: Saul Kinderis <saul_at_isomedia.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Concrete Canoe
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:07:11 -0700
It looks like someone is finally designing a canoe for owners of British
heavy kayaks. If it becomes a commercial success, I'll finally have a canoe
worthy of being placed next to my favorite kayak.

Now if they could just make a good concrete or maybe steel or even lead,
feathered, winged, or Greenland style paddle, we'd finally have all the
equipment a hard core paddler needs.

;-)

Heavily into paddling

-Saul

(Yes, I know they've made great sailboats out of concrete, but as the owner
of a 15 year old 18 foot long, 80 pound, fiberglass single kayak that my
friends have nicknamed concrete,  I just couldn't resist)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
To: Paddlewise (E-mail) <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net>
Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 7:12 AM
Subject: [Paddlewise] Concrete Canoe


>May 4, 1999
>Concrete Canoe
>McNeese State University's light-weight concrete canoe entry placed third
in
>the 1999 American Society of Civil Engineering Deep South Regional Concrete
>Canoe Competition held in Jonesboro, Ark. Eight schools from Arkansas,
>Louisiana and Mississippi competed in this event.
>This is the first time McNeese has placed in this regional competition,
>according to faculty adviser Dr. Jay Uppot. Eleven civil engineering
>students in the ASCE McNeese chapter worked on design and construction of
>the concrete canoe nicknamed the Jolly Roger.


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From: Steve Cramer <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Concrete Canoe
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:48:09 -0400
I like the idea of canoes and all the associatons that go with them, I'm
just not sure I really want to paddle one all the time. You might say I
like canoes in the abstract, but not in the...

Just kidding, of course. I own 3 C-boats (4 if my son doesn't reclaim
the Fanatic), but only 2 kayaks. And no concrete in the whole aggregate
(oops).

Steve
-- 
Test Scoring & Reporting Services       Sometimes, you never can
University of Georgia                     always tell what you
Athens, GA 30602-5593                       least expect the most.
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From: Hank Hays <lhays_at_canby.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Concrete Canoe
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:07:18 -0700
Saul Kinderis wrote:
>It looks like someone is finally designing a canoe for owners of British
>heavy kayaks. If it becomes a commercial success, I'll finally have a canoe
>worthy of being placed next to my favorite kayak.

Saul, they've been having that same contest yearly for over 25 years now.
I think they're finally to the point to where they've made a few light
enough to float all the way to the finish line.  These are husky college
kids handling them, not us "more mature wimps" normally found on this list. 

When Bob Denton called McNeese's entry "lightweight," he was using the term
as one relative to all the others that required a crane for unloading from
the semi-trailer.  

<grin>

>Now if they could just make a good concrete or maybe steel or even lead,
>feathered, winged, or Greenland style paddle, we'd finally have all the
>equipment a hard core paddler needs.

I could possibly cobble one together for you, price might not even be real
bad.  You gotta want it though. 

<serious>

Hank Hays
Paddlemaker
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From: Whiterabbit <whiterabbit_at_empowering.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Concrete Canoe
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:52:18 -0500
If you ever get a chance to see one of these "races" make sure to go.  They
are riot.  The boats designs range from very well made to rather crude.
Most float.  Most of the ones that sink are from dropping a gunwale under
the water due to poor stability.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
To: Paddlewise (E-mail) <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net>
Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 9:26 AM
Subject: [Paddlewise] Concrete Canoe


>May 4, 1999
>Concrete Canoe
>McNeese State University's light-weight concrete canoe entry placed third
in
>the 1999 American Society of Civil Engineering Deep South Regional Concrete
>Canoe Competition held in Jonesboro, Ark. Eight schools from Arkansas,
>Louisiana and Mississippi competed in this event.
>

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From: John Winters <735769_at_ican.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Concrete Canoe
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 19:32:43 -0400
--Bob wrote about the McNeese State University's  concrete canoe. Readers
might be interested in the concrete canoe's I designed for a number of
schools. The first was designed for the University of Virginia a few years
back

Here is what they said.

"We won, We won! And the canoe rocked - it was the fastest thing I have
ever seen. The other schools had been practicing paddling for much longer
than us, and we were still able to win two of the three races. And then we
swept the other parts of the competition. It is the first time in eight
years that anyone other than Virginia Tech has won. We are all very, very
excited and thank you for all of your hard work and effort in making our
canoe such an incredible success."

And, after the Nationals;

"We got 14th in the country, which was significantly better than our 24th
place finish from a year ago and one place higher than our goal of 15th.
Needless to say we were very excited about the finish, and I think we
showed a lot of promise. Unfortunately our paddlers were not as dedicated
as the rest of us and we were unable to get any points in the racing
portion. Without much practice it was difficult for the paddlers to keep
the canoe going straight. We did, however, have the quickest turns at the
competition. (I don't think going straight was a problem at regionals
because we were a lot more patient and in the lead for a majority of the
races. Trying to come from behind at Nationals, I think we may have been
pulling very quick and ultimately ineffective strokes.)"


Since then about ten schools have used variations of this boat and done
extremely well. This year the rules changed a bit so I should have changed
the design.

I have supplied designs and consulting services for this competition at
cost for several years and have really enjoyed working with the students.
Used to have a web page up on the topic. Most students know nothing about
boat design but they are eager and have a lot of fun. If you are an alumnus
of an engineering school you should think seriously about donating money to
their efforts as they all run on a shoe string.

Cheers,
John Winters
Redwing Designs
Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft
http://home.ican.net/~735769/



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