What is the general concensus on the new and expensive "crooked" (?) paddles? What is the best value in Paddles today and why is it all dealer charge the same prices? PLMK Tom_at_SFbay Necky Dolphin SOT *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 11 May 1999 Tom_P_McAuliffe_at_fastmultimedia.com wrote: > What is the general concensus on the new and expensive "crooked" (?) paddles? I'm aware of one person who has an AT, they are on this list, and thus far their comments are very positive. I've also got a bow paddle that a paddling buddy swears by. I love it for off season paddling - the shaft is arced and has "handles" so that your palms face each other. It's very easy to get a vertical paddle blade plant with this paddle, to meet that ACA "ideal". > What is the best value in Paddles today A homemade paddle, a greenland style being the easiest to make. It may be the best value but I'm not about to give up my lightweight hightech paddles. kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
To everyone, the "crooked" paddles are called Bent Shaft paddles. Let's get the jargon right at least. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Olsen [SMTP:kolsen_at_imagelan.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 1:28 PM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net; Tom_P_McAuliffe_at_fastmultimedia.com Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddles? On Tue, 11 May 1999 Tom_P_McAuliffe_at_fastmultimedia.com wrote: > What is the general concensus on the new and expensive "crooked" (?) paddles? I'm aware of one person who has an AT, they are on this list, and thus far their comments are very positive. I've also got a bow paddle that a paddling buddy swears by. I love it for off season paddling - the shaft is arced and has "handles" so that your palms face each other. It's very easy to get a vertical paddle blade plant with this paddle, to meet that ACA "ideal". > What is the best value in Paddles today A homemade paddle, a greenland style being the easiest to make. It may be the best value but I'm not about to give up my lightweight hightech paddles. kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I've been paddling for over 20 years and do not much care for the bent paddles. Many years ago I purchased a number of paddles from Norse Paddling Co. and have been very satisfied ever since. Guaranteed for life - repairs free - just pay shipping and handling ($3.00 per paddle). I have used my paddles so much I have had to replace the blades from wear ($15.00 per paddle) -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Olsen <kolsen_at_imagelan.com> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Tom_P_McAuliffe_at_fastmultimedia.com <Tom_P_McAuliffe_at_fastmultimedia.com> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddles? >On Tue, 11 May 1999 Tom_P_McAuliffe_at_fastmultimedia.com wrote: > >> What is the general concensus on the new and expensive "crooked" (?) paddles? > >I'm aware of one person who has an AT, they are on this list, and thus far >their comments are very positive. > >I've also got a bow paddle that a paddling buddy swears by. >I love it for off season paddling - the shaft is arced and has "handles" so >that your palms face each other. It's very easy to get a vertical paddle >blade plant with this paddle, to meet that ACA "ideal". > >> What is the best value in Paddles today > >A homemade paddle, a greenland style being the easiest to make. > > >It may be the best value but I'm not about to give up my lightweight >hightech paddles. > >kirk >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Mine is a "Modified Crank Shaft" -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net] On Behalf Of Kirby Stevens Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 5:14 PM To: 'Kirk Olsen'; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net; Tom_P_McAuliffe_at_fastmultimedia.com Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddles? To everyone, the "crooked" paddles are called Bent Shaft paddles. Let's get the jargon right at least. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Olsen [SMTP:kolsen_at_imagelan.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 1:28 PM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net; Tom_P_McAuliffe_at_fastmultimedia.com Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddles? On Tue, 11 May 1999 Tom_P_McAuliffe_at_fastmultimedia.com wrote: > What is the general concensus on the new and expensive "crooked" (?) paddles? I'm aware of one person who has an AT, they are on this list, and thus far their comments are very positive. I've also got a bow paddle that a paddling buddy swears by. I love it for off season paddling - the shaft is arced and has "handles" so that your palms face each other. It's very easy to get a vertical paddle blade plant with this paddle, to meet that ACA "ideal". > What is the best value in Paddles today A homemade paddle, a greenland style being the easiest to make. It may be the best value but I'm not about to give up my lightweight hightech paddles. kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I think it was Kirby Stevens who said: > To everyone, the "crooked" paddles are called Bent Shaft >paddles. Let's get the jargon right at least. Bob Denton answered: >Mine is a "Modified Crank Shaft" There are several different kinds of bent paddle shafts, and different manufacturers will call them different things in order to reduce copyright, trademark, and patent infringment hassles. I've been using nomenclature as I saw it defined in a Sea Kayaker article on such paddles by Nigel Foster a couple years back. There is a double torque (name orgin?) with two shaft bends for each hand where the shaft portion between your hands does not line up with the blades as a straight shaft paddle does. When you take a stroke, the blade is closer to the stern of the boat than the portion of the shaft between your hands. This puts your hand position slightly behind the blade's center of effort and power strokes (forward) will seem a bit squirrelly, but back strokes are not. A "standard" crank shaft looks like a cam or crank shaft on a car engine in that another bend is added (three total per hand) and the blade is now lined up with the shaft portion between your hands like a straight shaft paddle. This puts your hands in front of the blades for more stable forward stroking, but back stroking is now squirrelly (few sea kayakers will backstroke much, whitewater kayakers do it more). A "modified" crank shaft was, I think, developed by Lettmann (of Germany) and exaggerates the middle bend (still only three bends) so that the blade is again not aligned with the shaft like the double torque. This one, however is the opposite of the double torque. The blade is now closer to the bow of the boat than the portion of the shaft between your hands. This will stabilize forward stroking even more, but really make back stroking squirrelly. Also, high braces will be stable, low braces will be squirrelly. Bob Denton's "modified Crank" may not meet the above criteria -- again, that's manufacturer's definition differences. (I think the term "Crank Shaft" is a Lendal Paddle trademark). I have most of the above info on a Web page at: http://www.paddles.com/library/basics10.html which has some pictures to help visualize it. They need work. I should probably update the two year old text some, too. Hank Hays Lightning Paddles *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>What is the general consensus on the new and expensive "crooked" (?) paddles? I am the very happy owner of an AT touring paddle. Give one a try and you may never go back, but they are about $400. Note that not all bends are the same. The AT bend is a 2 dimensional compound bend and I believe different than other similar looking paddles. Also, the blade shape is unique. This paddle is easy to get used to. In fact, after one or two outings a straight shaft feels unnatural. Don't buy without trying. Jerry *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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