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From: Jim Champoux <jim_at_sigall.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] The Epoxy Experience
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:14:57 -0400
Dave wrote:
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> Couple tips:
>
>0. Acetone, followed by hot soapy water, will avoid scaring the DMV when they
>try to verify your fingerprints ... <G>
snip

I was told *not* to use acetone or other solvents on your hands, it seems
that it puts the epoxy into solution and your hand absorbs the solution,
which is bad.
The best way to get epoxy off is to wear it off. Wear vinyl gloves.

jim


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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] The Epoxy Experience
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 07:07:34 -0700
Jim Champoux wrote:

> Dave wrote:

> >0. Acetone, followed by hot soapy water, will avoid scaring the DMV when they
> >try to verify your fingerprints ... <G>
> 
> I was told *not* to use acetone or other solvents on your hands, it seems
> that it puts the epoxy into solution and your hand absorbs the solution,
> which is bad.

I've heard this before.  I believe absorption of epoxy during an acetone wash
is unlikely, inasmuch as acetone is not absorbed readily through the skin. 
Skin is remarkably impervious to most solvents.  Exception:  DMSO, which goes
right through.

However, use of acetone might increase the surface area of contact, and
thereby increase the chance of sensitization.  Maybe soap and water is better.

I'll contact Kern Hendricks (owns System Three) to see what the authoritative
word is, and report back.

Thanks for raising the warning, Jim.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR

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From: Sandy Ferguson <a.ferguson_at_chem.canterbury.ac.nz>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] The Epoxy Experience
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:52:41 +1200
>>0. Acetone, followed by hot soapy water, will avoid scaring the DMV when
they
>>try to verify your fingerprints ... <G>
>> 
>> I was told *not* to use acetone or other solvents on your hands, it seems
>> that it puts the epoxy into solution and your hand absorbs the solution,
>> which is bad.

We always clean-up with vinegar, breaks down the epoxy to something a bit
more benign. Vinegar wipe, then soap on all skin contacts. There shouldn't
ever be skin contact but we're human so it does happen. Sensitivity of the
skin to epoxy will make it impossible to work with the material ever again.

Gloves - I use dishwashing rubber gloves or the heavier ones with cotton
reinforcing. It is possible to shake those ones off to do something with a
glove off and then slip it on again. They last a long time if washed/wiped
with vinegar after each use.

Was Clyde's kit a 2:1 mix or was that just what he used? It is more usual
to have a 4:1 or 5:1 mix ratio and important to get it right, hence the
graduated measuring vessels. I use very sensitive top-loading scales
(scientific) which makes measuring and mixing so fast, especially if a
second mix is required, easy to zero out the container's weight even if not
quite empty.

Alex

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From: Robert Woodard <woodardr_at_tidalwave.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] The Epoxy Experience
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:50:26 -0400
> However, use of acetone might increase the surface area of contact, and
> thereby increase the chance of sensitization.  Maybe soap and
> water is better.

MAAS epoxies recommends (at least in the batch I got) using a waterless hand
cleaner. The kit for my kayak came with a tube. They also recommended
following that up once the bulk of it was off with something else, but I
can't remember what it was.

Woody


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From: Hank Hays <lhays_at_canby.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] The Epoxy Experience
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 07:34:25 -0700
>>0. Acetone, followed by hot soapy water, will avoid scaring the DMV when
they
>>try to verify your fingerprints ... <G>
>snip
>
>I was told *not* to use acetone or other solvents on your hands, it seems
>that it puts the epoxy into solution and your hand absorbs the solution,
>which is bad.
>The best way to get epoxy off is to wear it off. Wear vinyl gloves.

I don't use epoxy much any more, but it is entirely cleanable with soap and
water.  Takes longer than acetone, of course.  Acetone alone "defats" the
skin, will dissolve a lot of the moisturizer out of it.  I still do use
some acetone, but try to limit the amount as much as possible.  Acetone
will also dissolve the epoxy and the skin absorbs small amounts including
the epoxy which can eventually lead to (accelerate) sensitivity.  

Do wear gloves.  

Hank Hays
Lightning Paddles 
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