You do not need bulkheads in your boat if you are doing only lakes, flatwater rivers, etc. However I do strongly suggest flotation bags so that you can easily rid yourself of any extra water if you dump. In addition I use floation bags that allow you to put cargo in them. Also I have a dry bag secured to the back deck of my boat with all me emergency gear in it. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've always found it easier to do rescues with bulkheads in place, it's just not great to fully rely on them - eg. use dry bags in the bulkheaded compartments too. I originally installed eye bolts in my cockpit and tied things down using them. Practice a lot of t-rescues with and without gear, with and without bulkheads just to see what happens. We did a rescue practice during a class with a popular boat that doesn't have bulkheads but did have a full air bag and could barely accomplish a t-rescue. Andree Hurley Hurley Design Communications - ICQ# 27469637 On-line Editor - http://www.canoekayak.com Other Kayaking - http://www.onwatersports.com - http://www.viewit.com/KIX/ Web Sites for Specialty Businesses - http://www.viewit.com/HDC/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: Andree Hurley <ahurley_at_viewit.com> To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] securing gear in kayak && bulkheads? >I've always found it easier to do rescues with bulkheads in place, it's >just not great to fully rely on them - eg. use dry bags in the bulkheaded >compartments too. I originally installed eye bolts in my cockpit and tied >things down using them. > >Practice a lot of t-rescues with and without gear, with and without >bulkheads just to see what happens. We did a rescue practice during a >class with a >popular boat that doesn't have bulkheads but did have a full air bag and >could barely accomplish a t-rescue. Could someone who has successfully done a T-rescue with a fully loaded sea kayak please advise me just how it is accomplished. I have been unable to lift the bow out of the water at all from a kayak. Does the victim push the stern down? Do two people lift the bow between them? Matt Broze >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 6/24/99 1:27:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mkayaks_at_oz.net writes: << Could someone who has successfully done a T-rescue with a fully loaded sea kayak please advise me just how it is accomplished. I have been unable to lift the bow out of the water at all from a kayak. Does the victim push the stern down? Do two people lift the bow between them? Matt Broze >> Sure, Matt -- I'll try, Although I tell my students that it's better to do a reenter and pump scenario with loaded boats, I *have* done tees with moderately loaded boats in moderate conditions when time was of the essence. Having the swimmer push down on the stern helps, but it does put them in danger of getting sliced and diced on ruddered boats, or of becoming disconnected from the raft if the boat doesn't have perimeter lines. Having a taller (and very poised) swimmer reach over your deck just forward of the cockpit can get the job done also. I would *not* recommend having the swimmer try to help on the side of the swimmer's boat - more chance of them capsizing the rescuer and/or getting the boat dropped on their heads. Overall, I think the safest way is to raft, reenter and pump. By-the-way, one of my fellow instructors - Jeff Edwards, taught me a sweet trick which makes lifting the bow easier. I had always just leaned away from the tee'd boat and lifted, with one or two hands, while twisting just a bit to burp the cockpit. He leans heavily on the keel of the boat with his near-side hand, reaches down and grabs the bow with his opposite hand, then bounces downward onto the boat before throwing his head and shoulders away from the boat. The weight shift submerges the bow further and its buoyancy makes it literally jump up into your lap. I didn't believe what I'd seen him do until I tried it myself. In fact, the first time I tried it, I gave it all I had and almost capsized myself away from the boat -- the bow came up that easily. I haven't tried it with a loaded or extremely flooded kayak yet. Now, were you just fishing, or what?8^) Harold *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Neat trick, I'll have to try it. Could call it the rebound method. Thanks Matt Broze -----Original Message----- From: HTERVORT_at_aol.com <HTERVORT_at_aol.com> To: mkayaks_at_oz.net <mkayaks_at_oz.net>; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; jeedwar_at_ci.long-bch.ca.us <jeedwar_at_ci.long-bch.ca.us> Date: Thursday, June 24, 1999 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] securing gear in kayak && bulkheads? >In a message dated 6/24/99 1:27:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mkayaks_at_oz.net >writes: > ><< Could someone who has successfully done a T-rescue with a fully loaded sea > kayak please advise me just how it is accomplished. I have been unable to > lift the bow out of the water at all from a kayak. Does the victim push the > stern down? Do two people lift the bow between them? > Matt Broze > >> >Sure, Matt -- I'll try, > >Although I tell my students that it's better to do a reenter and pump >scenario with loaded boats, I *have* done tees with moderately loaded boats >in moderate conditions when time was of the essence. > >Having the swimmer push down on the stern helps, but it does put them in >danger of getting sliced and diced on ruddered boats, or of becoming >disconnected from the raft if the boat doesn't have perimeter lines. Having >a taller (and very poised) swimmer reach over your deck just forward of the >cockpit can get the job done also. I would *not* recommend having the >swimmer try to help on the side of the swimmer's boat - more chance of them >capsizing the rescuer and/or getting the boat dropped on their heads. >Overall, I think the safest way is to raft, reenter and pump. > >By-the-way, one of my fellow instructors - Jeff Edwards, taught me a sweet >trick which makes lifting the bow easier. I had always just leaned away from >the tee'd boat and lifted, with one or two hands, while twisting just a bit >to burp the cockpit. He leans heavily on the keel of the boat with his >near-side hand, reaches down and grabs the bow with his opposite hand, then >bounces downward onto the boat before throwing his head and shoulders away >from the boat. The weight shift submerges the bow further and its buoyancy >makes it literally jump up into your lap. I didn't believe what I'd seen him >do until I tried it myself. In fact, the first time I tried it, I gave it >all I had and almost capsized myself away from the boat -- the bow came up >that easily. I haven't tried it with a loaded or extremely flooded kayak yet. > >Now, were you just fishing, or what?8^) > >Harold > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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