I have yet to be rescued at sea, and would appreciate any Paddlewisers who have effectively used flares/smoke/radio/EPIRB in such an event to pass on their experience. But from listening/reading accident reports etc. I have taken the view that, sure carry flares if they make you feel better, but like radio, do not count on them being effective when really needed. I guess 90 per cent of the time I am kayaking in daylight, no, more accurately, bright sunshine. The flares I have seen in such circumstances are not impressive. A rescue mirror [not glass] which does not go out of date, does not have to be waterproof, costs $10, and does not run on batteries! is amazingly effective in such conditions. I have a GME EPIRB, which fits in the pocket of my PFD, and if triggered will guarantee to bring down the combined resources of the Water Police, CoastGuard, Australian Navy and Air Force, Customs, Coastal Patrol, assorted supertankers, freighters, fishos, yachties, rescue helicopters, and surf lifesavers on my head. Sure, I know there is a lag time while the satellites and the Air Sea Rescue Centre in Canberra get their act together, but if you REALLY want to be heard and rescued, go for an EPIRB. The last major rescue effort down this part of the world was the 1998-9 Sydney-Hobart yacht race involving professional and amateur sailors from all over the world and which ended in disaster. Maritime folks here are still assessing the lessons. Several sailors were either swept to their deaths in mountainous seas or died on their wrecked yachts. The fleet heading south ran into a cyclone [ NH= hurricane] of such ferocity that some devoted and veteran sailors who survived vowed never to go racing again. Winds of 80 knots plus across the deck, seas so high that rescue helicopters using their wire cables at full extent were still threatened by the huge seas raging below them. The full Coroner's inquiry is still to be held, but from the various reporting so far I gather that : 1/ EPIRBS proved effective in pin pointing stricken yachts. I have not seen any reporting which indicates individual sailors who died when they were swept off yachts, or out of rafts, also carried personal EPIRBS. 2/ Radio traffic became confused, and I think will be a major item in the formal inquiry. The sheer magnitude of the rescue effort overwhelmed the radio co-ordinating staff. 3/ I have not read of any yacht or crew overboard or in a raft using flares to effect. 4/ Smoke was used by the professional rescuers to pin-point victims. There is graphic television footage, familiar to Australian Paddlewisers, of orange smoke streaming down wind and very clearly visible despite the hurricane conditions, as a sailor is winched out of mountainous seas. A couple of other thoughts: There is constant discussion about the need to practice, practice, practice, our rolls and other safety drills. How many of us have actually set off a flare in ADVERSE conditions? And how and where can you practice with the things? And how can you tell whether that flare you are carrying around will work? At least with an EPIRB, you can run a test without bringing down the wrath of the authorities. I also believe the effectiveness of flares have been negated to some extent over the years by wilful use [ ie, deliberately being set off by drunks etc.] In other words there is a 'cry wolf' factor. I have read somewhere that flares are useful in directing rescue vessels, possibly aircraft, who are ALREADY on their way to pick you up, particularly at night! If I was to carry flares, rather than smoke, I would carry at least three parachute flares. One of Murphy's famous laws states: The reaction by spotters, who, by the way, are NOT looking for flares to spring up out of the horizon, is to the first flare: "What was that? Is that a flare?" Reaction to second flare, fired, say a minute later: "Hey, that looks like a flare. May be someone in trouble." Reaction to third flare: "Hey, it IS a flare." In summary, I take comfort in the knowledge that my EPIRB will work anywhere, anytime, night or day, like my PFD, regardless of sea and weather conditions. Thanks to all you PaddleWisers who keep up a lively and interesting list of discussion topics! Peter Rattenbury Wollongong, Australia. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/16/99 9:31:41 PM, ratten_at_uow.edu.au writes: << EPIRB >> Sorry for the ignorance but What is it? this word/initials don't indicate what it is or what it does. Thanks Joan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It's the Marine version of general aviation's ELT -- Electronic Locator Transmitter -- and stands for Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacon. Jim Tynan Pike Road AL ~-----Original Message----- ~From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net ~[mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of ~JSpinner_at_aol.com ~Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 8:57 PM ~To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net ~Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Flares and Rescues ~ ~ ~In a message dated 7/16/99 9:31:41 PM, ratten_at_uow.edu.au writes: ~ ~<< EPIRB >> ~Sorry for the ignorance but What is it? this word/initials don't indicate ~what it is or what it does. ~ ~Thanks ~Joan ~ ~*************************************************************************** ~PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List ~Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net ~Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ~Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ~*************************************************************************** ~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:43:07 +1000 >To: JSpinner_at_aol.com >From: Peter Rattenbury <ratten_at_uow.edu.au> >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Flares and Rescues >In-Reply-To: <3e89f436.24c13ce9_at_aol.com> > >Joan, > Sorry about that. EPIRB = "Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon. " > > They transmit on specific frequencies monitored by civilian and military aircraft, vessels and satellites. > The latest and best versions are called "406 EPIRBs", because they operate on 406 MHz , and can pin point your position to within one to three nautical miles. Various brands on the market, the one I have is about six inches high, by three inches wide and inch thick and easily stowed as a personal item. Lithium battery lasts about five years and can be tested in the unit. > > I think if you go to your US CoastGuard web site you will find all the info. you need on them., > > Peter Rattenbury > >At 09:56 PM 7/16/99 EDT, you wrote: >>In a message dated 7/16/99 9:31:41 PM, ratten_at_uow.edu.au writes: >> >><< EPIRB >> >>Sorry for the ignorance but What is it? this word/initials don't indicate >>what it is or what it does. >> >>Thanks >>Joan >> >>*************************************************************************** >>PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >>Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >>*************************************************************************** >> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
><< EPIRB >> What is it? this word/initials don't indicate >what it is or what it does. > >Thanks >Joan >Emergency Position Indication Radio Beacon I own a 406 EPIRB, but I must admit ignorance on the GME EPIRB. What is the GME EPIRB? Having a EPIRB small enough to put in the pocket of my PFD is of great interest to me. Where can it be purchased? The 406 EPIRB is approx. 9" tall plus a 5" antenna and weights bout 2.2 lbs., not cool for the PFD As for the 406 EPIRB it is a beacon that sends a distress signal via satellite. Basic concept of the (COSPAS - SARSAT) system; Once EPIRB is deployed due to interment danger a 121.5 MHz / 406 MHz signal is sent to a NOAA Satellite with SARSAT payload. Which is relayed at 1544.5 MHz to a local user terminal next relay is sent to Mission Control Centre which is then received by Rescue Co-Ordination Centre at this point the Search and Rescue Forces is deployed. It is mandatory that the owner of the 406 register their unit with NOAA (USA). The registration form has information about the owner of the unit; name, beacon identification code, owners address, telephone number, etc. The signal that is sent by your unit identifies the owner and all the info on the form. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have some of the Orion ski-safe flares because they are small, inexpensive and meet USCG requirements for operating at night. I seldom go paddling at night so didn't elect to spend the money to get something more useful. I also have some Orion handheld flares which are very inexpensive, have a long burn time and are reasonably bright, but nothing like the Pains-Wessex handheld flares which are much brighter. The parachute flares that I am familliar for a pistol launcher are for the 25mm pistol only. They sound good but the pistol is fairly expensive and the 25mm parachute flares go about $34 each. I have some Pains-Wessex parachute flares on my sailboat. They are great flares but due to size and cost ($40 each) I will not be taking them in my kayak. As for EPIRB's, the 121.5 MHz units commonly used by kayakers are small and comparatively inexpensive but they operate on a crowded frequency. Positioning accuracy is estimated at about 12 miles. There are so many false signals on this frequency that response time is usually very slow. 406 MHz units on the other hand, are very accurate for positioning, transmit a unique identity signal so that emergency response crews can identify the source (you must register them so that your name and vessel ID are known. Emergency telephone contact numbers are also required so that they can call first to check with whomever answers to confirm before sending out the troops.) They will usually bring rapid response anywhere in the world. Unfortunately, they start at nearly $1000, are large and heavy and periodic battery replacement costs a small fortune. It is a calculated risk but I usually don't take any of this equipment paddling. I always dress for immersion (wetsuit), wear a very buoyant PFD, I wear a helmet when paddling the exposed coast, carry a good first aid kit and pack along a fair supply of water. If I were going some place that was very remote, I might take along the 406MHz EPIRB that is actually registered to my sailboat. Cautiously, Dave Martin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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