Tom, do you want me to continue to send these to you? It's easier than getting them individually. If not, that's cool. Ky >>> PaddleWise <owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> 07/21/99 02:52pm >>> PaddleWise Wednesday, July 21 1999 Volume 01 : Number 617 Re: [Paddlewise] sleeping bags Re: [Paddlewise] Kudos to Ralph [Paddlewise] Chattoga drowning [Paddlewise] sleeping bags Re: [Paddlewise] Kudos to Ralph Re: [Paddlewise] Kudos to Ralph Re: [Paddlewise] Why Peyton's water tastes funny. Re: [Paddlewise] Kudos to Ralph Re: [Paddlewise] Canoe & Kayak [Paddlewise] JFK tragedy--portable lesson [Paddlewise] Are Skyblazer flares waterproof? Re: [Paddlewise] Why Peyton's water tastes funny. Re: [Paddlewise] Are Skyblazer flares waterproof? Re: [Paddlewise] sleeping bags Re: [Paddlewise] Why Peyton's water tastes funny. [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question Re: [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question [Paddlewise] a Full Moon Trip Report [Paddlewise] Cascade Paddling (Oregon) Re: [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question Re: [Paddlewise] Are Skyblazer flares waterproof? Re: [Paddlewise] a Full Moon Trip Report Re: [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question [Paddlewise] Re-coating Nylon? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:25:45 -0400 From: "Vivian Oliva" <snook_at_gate.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] sleeping bags I also own a down sleeping bag it is made by Sierra Designs and its the Louise model rated to 20 degrees. I kayak camp mostly in the Everglades in winter and do summer canoe trips up in Canada or BWCA. This bag is perfect without being too hot and it stuffs down to the size of a small loaf of bread. I keep it in a dry bag and have never had a problem with it getting wet also, it helps to have a tent with a floor that doesn't leak. Luckily my tent is also very dry and I paid very little it is a Kelty Vortex 2 which I highly recommend. <*)))< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:31:49 -0700 From: "Steven A. Holtzman" <sh_at_actglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kudos to Ralph Ralph, I think that column understates the amount of help that Ralph has been to a lot of us. Although I don't paddle a folding boat unless I'm out with a friend in his Klepper ( I use one of those toy fake kayaks known as SOT's), the advice you give in this mailing list and in your boat have been of tremendous help to me. THANKS!! Steve Holtzman >Joe Pylka wrote: > > Has anyone here looked at the upper right corner of page 19 of the August > '99 issue of Canoe & Kayak? Yes, I did! :-) I was alerted to the column by a friend and when I went to look at it was knocked over to see my name there in that context. I really don't know the columnist, Shelley Johnson. We talked on the phone once or twice in the early 1990s when she was doing articles for a tabloid sports giveaway east coast publication. We may have met briefly at a symposium in passing. So I was very surprised and delighted. Goes to show that you never know how you may be affecting others by what you do. ralph diaz - - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:23:45 From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net> Subject: [Paddlewise] Chattoga drowning There was a report on RBP last night that rescuers got into the hole over the weekend, and found that the body had washed out. A new search is reportedly under way downriver. - -- Wes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:48:24 From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net> Subject: [Paddlewise] sleeping bags At 12:38 PM 7/20/99 -0500, Whiterabbit wrote: >One key thing in selecting a bag is to not get too much bag. If you don't >go out when it gets below 40 degrees you don't need a bag rated for -20F. >Buying too much bag not only costs more money, but it is harder to pack and >usually less comfortable to sleep in. > Yeah, unless you tend to sleep cold anyway, and/or you believe the bag ratings, which are pretty optimistic. I have a 20 degree rated bag that's chilly at 40, for me, anyway. - -- Wes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:50:04 From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kudos to Ralph At 06:31 PM 7/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >Ralph, > >I think that column understates the amount of help that Ralph has been to a >lot of us. Although I don't paddle a folding boat unless I'm out with a >friend in his Klepper ( I use one of those toy fake kayaks known as SOT's), >the advice you give in this mailing list and in your boat have been of >tremendous help to me. > >THANKS!! > >Steve Holtzman Absolutely. The comments were well deserved. Congratulations, Ralph. - -- Wes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:55:44 +0000 From: Mark Zen <canoeist_at_netbox.com> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kudos to Ralph At 20:50 7/20/99, Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net> wrote: >At 06:31 PM 7/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Ralph, >> >>I think that column understates the amount of help that Ralph has been to a >>lot of us. Although I don't paddle a folding boat unless I'm out with a >>friend in his Klepper ( I use one of those toy fake kayaks known as SOT's), >>the advice you give in this mailing list and in your boat have been of >>tremendous help to me. >> >>THANKS!! >> >>Steve Holtzman > >Absolutely. The comments were well deserved. Congratulations, Ralph. > >-- Wes i hate "me too's" ... but ralph sure has helped out a lot with _my_ education. way to go ralph!! mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. - --Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:54:58 EDT From: Gratytshrk_at_aol.com Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Why Peyton's water tastes funny. In a message dated 7/20/99 4:44:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dkruger_at_pacifier.com writes: << Yeah, I know, lots more than you wanted to know. Mandatory paddling content: formaldehyde is one of the ingredients of the glues used in marine plywood in stitch and glue yaks. >> No way, you can never have too much campfire knowledge. thanks for clearing that up Dave! robin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:34:29 -0500 From: "Arthur Hebert" <seacajun_at_gs.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kudos to Ralph - - >> Has anyone here looked at the upper right corner of page 19 of the August >> '99 issue of Canoe & Kayak? My hat is off to ya Ralph! Been with Paddlewise for only a short time and have enjoyed and learned from your contribution to the list. Arthur Hebert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Andree Hurley <ahurley_at_viewit.com> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Canoe & Kayak I'm actually in the process of putting the issue on the web, so check http://www.canoekayak.com in a few days and it will be there! Andree Hurley Hurley Design Communications - ICQ# 27469637 On-line Editor - http://www.canoekayak.com Other Kayaking - http://www.onwatersports.com Web Sites for Specialty Businesses - http://www.viewit.com/HDC/ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jul 99 10:09:09 -0400 From: dschlenoff_at_sciam.com (Dan Schlenoff) Subject: [Paddlewise] JFK tragedy--portable lesson I was talking to a pilot the other day, who said that some airplaners think that JFK may have been suffering from a condition they call 'Get-There-Itis'. Given the busy schedules we cram our lives into, I know that on occasion I've been tempted to put to sea NOW rather than wait for calmer weather and light winds. Dan S. ================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:25:06 -0600 From: "Shawn W. Baker" <baker_at_montana.com> Subject: [Paddlewise] Are Skyblazer flares waterproof? I just picked up a pack of Skyblazers last weekend for a trip to the coast next weekend. I tore the pack open and put them in the pocket of my PFD before I wondered: are the darn things really waterproof? I read in one of the side bars in 'Deep Trouble' that (I think it was) Matt keeps his flares in a plastic bag--does anyone know if this prevents "duds"? I know Skyblazers aren't the most reliable or brightest flares out there, but they are a nice convenient size. Shawn 0 ____*/______ ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\ ,/ /~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Baker Brothers 0 Brews & Boats http://www.missoulaconcrete/shawn/ Shawn W. Baker mailto://baker_at_montana.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:58:36 -0500 From: gpwecho_at_juno.com Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Why Peyton's water tastes funny. On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:30:26 -0700 Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com> writes: >Gratytshrk_at_aol.com wrote: <<snip>> >> I had an environmental chemist tell me that the body catabolizes >alcohol into <<snip>> >Acetic acid is food to your body. You will get fat from overconsuming >alcohol, dudes and dudettes! Dave ....Robin ...I prefer to think of this "phenomenon" as an "paddler's auxillary cold water-weather preparedness" issue. Fat ! ...the very idea ! ....I just keep "more" of my wetsuit on for longer periods of time than some others might ! Fat ! ...the very idea ! 8-) <<snip>> >If Peyton's water tastes funny because of <<snip>> Actually, the water is not bad down here. I didn't give this thread its name. I am not in N.O. I am a ways north of N'Awlins. ( Crescent City water does in fact make some fine coffee and some fine gumbo; even a good brew or two !) I am on the Ouachita ( into Black, into Red, into Mississippi). Taste is not a problem with my local water. The problem is a continuing depletion of our Sparta aquifer which supplies north LA and south Ark. I probably won't be here, but that will be a "bad" day indeed, when the fresh-water runs out. And it may come sooner than we think. I'm as optimistic as anyone and live a pretty simple lifestyle ...primitive camp ....enjoy the water without an exhaust pipe ....no trophy hunting or fishing ...keep my VW bus alive. When I can I like to visit Mammoth Spring in north Ark on Spring River. They say 9 million gallons an hour and mid 50's. Looks like more than that, and feels colder than that to me. It's a beautiful spot and some fine CI-II water always "on" .....so far at least ! ....adieu .....Peyton (Louisiana) ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:15:45 -0400 From: Bill Leonhardt <WJLeonhardt_at_bnl.gov> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Are Skyblazer flares waterproof? At 08:25 AM 7/21/99 -0600, baker_at_montana.com wrote: >I just picked up a pack of Skyblazers last weekend for a trip to the >coast next weekend. I tore the pack open and put them in the pocket of >my PFD before I wondered: are the darn things really waterproof? > >I read in one of the side bars in 'Deep Trouble' that (I think it was) >Matt keeps his flares in a plastic bag--does anyone know if this >prevents "duds"? I know Skyblazers aren't the most reliable or >brightest flares out there, but they are a nice convenient size. > >Shawn Shawn, As I reported in a recent posting, my three Sky Blazers worked perfectly when I shot them off on July 4th. I had left them in the plastic bag they came in and then put that in a zip loc bag. They remained in the pocket of my PFD until use including some swimming and a lot of hosing off. I have since wondered that if I needed to get to these flares with very cold, numb and possibly gloved fingers, getting through two layers of plastic bags might be a little difficult. Still, I think the zip loc bag buys an additional degree of reliability. Bill Leonhardt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:47:47 PDT From: "Philip Torrens" <skerries_at_hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] sleeping bags Hope you won't mind some comments on this from someone who works for an outdoor retailer (I'm not trying to flog you any particular product - these are general observations.) You're right about bag temperature ratings not being absolutes, Wes. Two main factors at work here, each of includes a number of sub-variables: 1. Sleepers and their circumstances vary tremendously; metabolism and general fitness level and immediate health vary, as do how well fed, watered, and rested sleepers are (now there's cruel paradox - if you're too tired, you can't get a proper sleep.) Ambient humidity, wind chill, and other local climate effects can make you cold far above a bag's "official" rating. I've had the memorable experience of shivering uncontrollably in a bag rated to minus 10 Celsius during a summer day - however, as I later realised, I was seriously underfed, dehydrated, and tired, plus the air was extremely damp, with a local katabatic wind too slow to be heard, but fast enough to drain heat. The best way to protect yourself here is to know your own metabolism, and to "overbuy" if needed. 2. Unlike say, car gas mileages, there is not a current and compulsory industry standard testing method for sleeping bags. Many of the major players in the US and Canada are currently working to agree on one, which will be based around a US military testing method for CLO ratings - basically a copper dummy wired with thermometers, in a chamber of controlled temperature, moisture, and airflow. Some manufacturers are already using this method as one factor in establishing their ratings. The best bet here is to buy a brand with an established reputation - if they've been around for decades, they must be doing something right. As you noted, manufacturers are tempted to be optimistic with the ratings, and personally, I think a single number is misleading anyway. Although it would be more expensive to test for (and to agree on standards for) I think a range (e.g. "Zero to Minus Ten") encompassing best and worst case scenarios (and bell curved for the statistically inclined) would be the most honest and informative approach. My opinion - worth what you paid for it. Hope it's of some interest. Philip Torrens N49*16' W123*06' > >Buying too much bag not only costs more money, but it is harder to pack >and > >usually less comfortable to sleep in. > > > >Yeah, unless you tend to sleep cold anyway, and/or you believe the bag >ratings, which are pretty optimistic. I have a 20 degree rated bag that's >chilly at 40, for me, anyway. > >-- Wes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:17:20 -0500 From: "Whiterabbit" <whiterabbit_at_empowering.com> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Why Peyton's water tastes funny. A great little river run in the summer heat. Nice cold clear water, runs even when everything else is dried up. Certainly not big water in late summer but a nice float with some interesting pools and drops. > When I can I like to visit Mammoth Spring in north Ark on Spring River. >They say 9 million gallons an hour and mid 50's. Looks like more than >that, and feels colder than that to me. It's a beautiful spot and some >fine CI-II water always "on" .....so far at least ! ....adieu >.....Peyton (Louisiana) > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:43:07 -0500 From: "Dickson, Dana A." <dana.dickson_at_unisys.com> Subject: [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question Yesterday I was in a discussion with someone who claimed that in the summer above the artic circle the sun traverses the northern horizon. I thought it should be traversing to the south. Can any of the northern Paddlewisers answer the question? My expectation is that the sun would appear to travel from east to west, low to the southern horizion at Midnight and high at Noon. Curious minds want to know. Dana Dickson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:58:50 -0700 From: bob_at_intelenet.net (Bob Myers) Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question On Jul 21, 12:43, "Dickson, Dana A." wrote: } Subject: [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question > Yesterday I was in a discussion with someone who claimed that in the summer > above the artic circle the sun traverses the northern horizon. I thought it > should be traversing to the south. Can any of the northern Paddlewisers > answer the question? My expectation is that the sun would appear to travel > from east to west, low to the southern horizion at Midnight and high at > Noon. > > Curious minds want to know. Northern horizon is correct. If you can, get ahold of a globe. Or just think really hard about one. Tilt the axis a little, then look at where the sun would be from areas above the arctic circle. You'll see that the north pole passes between points above the arctic circle and the sun. - -- Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Email: bob_at_InteleNet.net 18101 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 550 Phone: 949-851-8250 x227 Irvine, CA 92612 Fax: 949-851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/ InteleNet Communications is a subsidiary of FirstWorld Communications, Inc. http://www.firstworld.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:33:21 +0300 From: "asaarto" <asaarto_at_lpt.fi> Subject: [Paddlewise] a Full Moon Trip Report MOONLIGHT BUSINESS - a Full Moon Trip Report A full moon happened on June 29th, just a few days before my trip to SW Archipelago National Park with one of the local clubs. We had a brief trip meeting that evening at 8 pm, and because I do consider myself a devoted sea kayaker, I naturally paddled to the meeting. Week had been extremely hot and the forecast had promised nice weather with calm waters for next days so the temptation to add a longer trip to the meeting was overwhelming. Took my changes and packed my Nordkapp for an overnight trip - the destination was to be the island of Skorvo (see Paddlewise Photoalbum at). It would be a little bit dark around 1 am, but otherwise I would see and be seen easily - it is so goddamn light here at summer nights that I have to cover my eyes with a head scarf when sleeping in my tent! My plan was to start at around 9 pm after the meeting and arrive the island after 25 kms/16 miles of paddling around 2 to 3 am. I would return at afternoon after sleeping the morning hours. To avoid unnecessary risks I was going to keep the coast at distance of few kilometers, avoid crossings more than 4 kms, and boat routes. This was my first night trip but the familiar waters were going to help navigation - if something like navigation was really needed. I bought some lightsticks, blue and yellow to avoid being mixed with the boats. Packed some extra batteries in the pockets of my PFD for the headlamp. Loaded the mobile phone. Put the compass and chart on deck and a thermos full of cafe au lait behind my back. I was ready to go. It was the first time I was using the lightsticks - though I did not believe they would light my way I was sure they would help me to be seen. After paddling 4 kms in cloudless bright summer night with my diver*s headlamp on I decided to check the lightstick. I choose the blue one, twisted it once sharply and shook it to start the chemical process and put it to the headband of my lamp. It was sticking out like an antenna, with bright blue light. Ugh. Felt like a Teletubby. It was supposed to last around 9 hrs. I was surely an interesting sight. The headlamp had old batteries so I was happy with the extra ones. It was pointing to the bow of my Nordkapp and to the white peak of my cap, reflecting quite a lot white light from it so I was quite confident to be seen well. Water was warm in my hands. There was almost no wind. A lot of soft bluish light: the moon rose after 10 pm and tried shyly to stay behind some clouds which had risen from the horizon. The clouds were almost as blue and light as the night sky so I was able to see them only occasionally, when they were half covering the moon. The islands and coastline on route were black mass against the bright sky and sea. I felt confident: the waters were familiar. The crossings went nicely. Saw some boats nightfishing or coming from a fishing trip. It was calm and only one small motorboat came to check what the heck I was: they stopped at the distance of 100 meters from me and slowed their speed to almost zero. I was just about to enter an island for a coffee break (my only one to stretch my feet) and could almost hear the mixed thoughts in the boaters* mind, it seemed that they were not able to identify me. Maybe I was an UFO on water or something... I was really happy and enjoyed entertaining lonely boaters. Hmm. Never has the coffee tasted so nice. Fresh water and sandwiches with cheese, salad leaves, mayonnaise, ham and capers were better than anything I could think of. I hopped on rocks around a small beach I had seen boaters use during my former trips, but there was no-one. I was completely alone. There was total silence, eerie and at the same time comfortable. Big ripped clouds moved towards north over my head with considerable speed, majestically in their darkness and I was getting a little bit worried about possible weather changes: there was surely some wind up there, possibly at the height of only one hundred meters. The clouds seemed to be very low. No weather changes. The clouds disappeared as suddenly as they came, and I continued my trip. It was fun to light the shores with my headlamp and it lighted well also the rocks, algae and small fish under the surface. What a magical moment. What a magical world. Someone asked from the shore, from the jetty of his summer cottage, how much there was left from my trip. What did I care: it had passed 1 am and the whole world and time had stopped, it was the coldest and darkest hour. I put a paddling jacket over my T-shirt. My good old friend Osmo with his wife had a cottage onroute. I passed their island around 2 am to count the laundry they had drying. Seemed that quite a lot, they have two kids. Considered some practical joke, as tying the sleeves to tight knots... but suddenly I saw a whitish shape enter from the woods the footpath at the front of the cottage - it was Osmo who had visited the outhouse. I lighted him with my headlamp to get his attention and we had a peaceful talk, me floating on water, Osmo sitting at the rocks. To my sudden appearance he only commented that he could not even have been able to believe anyone else so lunatic to be paddling around there at that time! Still, few kilometers to go. It was getting lighter, the sun was going to rise after 3 am. I entered the Skorvo precisely at 3 am and at the shore I sent my last text message to my SO, to inform her that I had finished the route OK. I did mention something about putting up the tent, watching the sunrise and drinking my only precious can of beer... After sending the message I put my right foot out of my kayak and tried stepping the sand and small rocks, taking balance from my wooden paddle. Now, what was there, half floating at the water - an other can of beer. A FULL can of beer. It had been there quite a while, the paint had a little bit faded and it had scratches, but it was still all right. I am not going to calculate the probability of finding it... Spent the last merry hour putting up my tent, enjoying my two beers, watching the sunrise in silence. Some conclusions: a) there is definitely someone up there b) he has sense of humour and c) among other things he likes seafarers and beer. A true story. Ari - Finland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:47:08 -0700 From: "E. Sullivan" <sullivaned_at_pop.mts.kpnw.org> Subject: [Paddlewise] Cascade Paddling (Oregon) I am thinking about Waldo Lake this weekend, but would entertain suggestions from Cascadians of other venues. Of course I'd rather not paddle with inhuman-powered craft, but I can tolerate them. I'd like something big enough I can get up a full head of steam before I have to start braking. I'll be out for two nights, but don't mind staying in the same campsite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "D. Key" <dtheman_at_u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question In the arctic (north) in the summer, my experience is that the sun appears to travel around you once every 24 hours. It is high in the southern horizon at noon and low on the northern at midnight. I don't understand how it can stay on one horizon if you are continually spinning. - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daniel Key Mechanical Engineering, University of Washington dtheman_at_u.washington.edu (206) 729-7809 http://students.washington.edu/dtheman - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Bob Myers wrote: > On Jul 21, 12:43, "Dickson, Dana A." wrote: > } Subject: [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question > > Yesterday I was in a discussion with someone who claimed that in the summer > > above the artic circle the sun traverses the northern horizon. I thought it > > should be traversing to the south. Can any of the northern Paddlewisers > > answer the question? My expectation is that the sun would appear to travel > > from east to west, low to the southern horizion at Midnight and high at > > Noon. > > > > Curious minds want to know. > > Northern horizon is correct. > > If you can, get ahold of a globe. Or just think really hard about one. > > Tilt the axis a little, then look at where the sun would be from areas > above the arctic circle. You'll see that the north pole passes between > points above the arctic circle and the sun. > > > -- > Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. > Email: bob_at_InteleNet.net 18101 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 550 > Phone: 949-851-8250 x227 Irvine, CA 92612 > Fax: 949-851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/ > > InteleNet Communications is a subsidiary of FirstWorld Communications, Inc. > http://www.firstworld.com/ > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Whilden" <kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Are Skyblazer flares waterproof? According to George Gronseth, skyblazers are not totally waterproof. Yes, the o-ring does keep moisture out fora while, but eventually some water will seep in and ruin the flare. He checks the ingition chain for corrosion. If it is bright and shiny, then it should be okay. He told me that a month or so of exposure to the water will usually not harm the flare. Judging by this, I would say that it is a good idea to keep the flares in a ziplock bag, and to check the chain for corrosion before every trip. Cheers, kevin ------------------------------- | Kevin Whilden | | kwhilden_at_seanet.com | | Kayak Academy Instructor | | http://www.halcyon.com/kayak | ------------------------------- On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Shawn W. Baker wrote: > I just picked up a pack of Skyblazers last weekend for a trip to the > coast next weekend. I tore the pack open and put them in the pocket of > my PFD before I wondered: are the darn things really waterproof? > > I read in one of the side bars in 'Deep Trouble' that (I think it was) > Matt keeps his flares in a plastic bag--does anyone know if this > prevents "duds"? I know Skyblazers aren't the most reliable or > brightest flares out there, but they are a nice convenient size. > > Shawn > 0 > ____*/______ > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\ ,/ /~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ > Baker Brothers 0 > Brews & Boats http://www.missoulaconcrete/shawn/ > Shawn W. Baker mailto://baker_at_montana.com > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:45:19 -0700 From: "Debora A. Nicoll" <dnicoll_at_mednet.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] a Full Moon Trip Report >Some conclusions: a) there is definitely someone up there b) he >has sense of humour and c) among other things he likes seafarers >and beer. > >A true story. > >Ari - Finland > > Only two little disagreements with your conclusions: 1) She has a sense of humor 8). 2) She likes kayakers and beer. My SO had a similar encounter with an abandoned beer. But, since he had not had a beer in about 5 days, I think he enjoyed it more than you did. And, since we were kayaking on a lake, not the sea, I would venture a guess that kayakers are what the someone up there likes. A true story. Deb - LA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:04:21 +1200 From: Alex Ferguson <a.ferguson_at_chem.canterbury.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Midnight Sun Navigatio Question At 12:43 pm 21/07/99 -0500, you wrote: >Yesterday I was in a discussion with someone who claimed that in the summer >above the artic circle ========================= This message is too long to be retrieved completely in the item view. The message was truncated. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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