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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:46:53 -0700
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:58:40 -0400
From: dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] waterproof binoculars

|I would like to hear opinions on waterproof binoculars in the 8X24 size
|range and would prefer them also to float.

Based on your need to have a lot of light gathering - 24mm just won't cut
it. You would do much better with a 7x50 which will give you a 7mm exit
pupil. That's about the largest your eyes will go when it gets dark.

As far as floatation is concerned--forget it. Good binoculars require good
glass, i.e. heavy. Go for waterproof and tie them to your body or boat.

My wife and I both use Fujinon 7x50 that go for $500 - $700. (She uses my
first pair which are the less expensive) They have infinite focus, which
means you focus with your eyes and not by turning anything. That's been a
great feature on the water.

Whichever model you decide on - Go for the best quality that you can afford.
They should last a lifetime. My experience has been that the best know
optical companies, usually have the best binoculars, Zeiss,  Fujinon, Nikon,
Celestron, Meade in that order.

Steve

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From: wildwater <wildoats_at_ionet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:00:36 -0500
As a person on a budget, not just dollars, but conserving weight and space as
well, I have been really happy with my 10x25 wideangle Cabella's.  Two fat
fishing floats keep them from disappearing into the deep and I can remove the
floats when I'm not on the water.  I use these glasses climbing, mountain
biking, hiking, and birding.  I almost lost them this summer though.  My mom,
who is an avid birder, likes them a lot!

FWIW, if I had a pair of $800 binocs, they'd probably stay home because I
couldn't bring myself to abuse them like I do the $115 Cabella's.  Can you
imagine an accidental slam by a #4 cam?

Just my .02, I'll go back to lurking...

Alice

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From: John C. Winskill <johncw_at_narrows.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:29:08 -0700
Steve;

Small point but I'd have to go Leica, Ziess ...
Leica makes, without a doubt, the worlds best optics.

John Winskill

Steve Holtzman wrote;
snip>>>
> My experience has been that the best know
> optical companies, usually have the best binoculars, Zeiss,  Fujinon, Nikon,
> Celestron, Meade in that order.
>
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:59:33 -0700
You're right!! - I don't know how I could have left Leica off.

It boils down to one thing basically- you get what you pay for when it comes
to optics.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: John C. Winskill [mailto:johncw_at_narrows.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 8:29 PM
> To: sh_at_actglobal.net
> Cc: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars
>
>
> Steve;
>
> Small point but I'd have to go Leica, Ziess ...
> Leica makes, without a doubt, the worlds best optics.
>
> John Winskill
>
> Steve Holtzman wrote;
> snip>>>
> > My experience has been that the best know
> > optical companies, usually have the best binoculars, Zeiss,
> Fujinon, Nikon,
> > Celestron, Meade in that order.
> >
>

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From: John C. Winskill <johncw_at_narrows.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:24:05 -0700
One more thing to keep in mind about binoculars.  Coatings are very very
important.  A pair of 7 or 8x30 binocs that are of high quality will
transmit a good deal more light than a medium grade 7 or 8x50.  I have,
as I mentioned last night a pair of Zeiss 8x30's and a pair of Stiener
8x30's' which will let in as much light as an older pair of Leica 7x50s
that I own that were made in the fifties.  The older Leica's have
incredible optics and a very large exit pupil but the coatings just
aren't what they are now.  When you consider buying a pair of binoculars
keep in mind that just because a manufacturer says the lenses are coated
doesn't mean that they all are coated.  The high-end binocs have
coatings on all surfaces of all the lenses.  You'd be amazed at how well
you can see in low light with the Zeiss 8x30's.  Even my Leica 8x20's
will let in more light than many of the larger mid-range binoculars
though the small exit pupil make them a bit impractical for using from a
moving platform.  The other great advantage of good quality optics is
that you can look through them for hours on end without eye fatigue. 
The next time you check out a pair of binoculars compare them to a
really good pair.  In addition to high light transmission you will also
see a clear image all of the way out to the periphery of the lens. 
Again it makes a big difference in the long run.
I agree with Steve Holtzman.  Buy the best you can afford.  A good pair
will last you the rest of your life.

John Winskill
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