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From: brian hetrick <bchetrick_at_earthlink.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] closed cell foam
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:58:08 -0500
Any clue where closed cell foam can be purshased?  I have tried fabric
stores and Home Depot.  Any information would be greatly appreciated!!
Brian
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] closed cell foam
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:33:14 -0400
At 10:58 PM 7/25/99 -0500, brian hetrick wrote:
>Any clue where closed cell foam can be purshased?  I have tried fabric
>stores and Home Depot.  Any information would be greatly appreciated!!
>Brian
>

I was looking for the same information because I need to replace my
seat.  The old one was a extruded rubber seat that was really comfortable
but it just fell apart.  I checked in the archives for R.B.P. and found
a couple of sources:

Nantahala Outdoor Center www.nocweb.html
They seem to have closed/mini cell foam in a variety of sizes.

Grateful Heads www.gratefulheads.com/outfitting.htm
The carry foam in a few different sizes as well as tools for carving 
it up.

There was an article in Sea Kayaker a few months ago on "Customizing
your Cockpit".  It listed Ken Rasmussen as a resource for closed cell
foam and had an address.  I can look it up if you can't find it
anywhere else.




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From: Steve Scherrer <flatpick_at_teleport.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] closed cell foam
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:20:25 -0700
Gabriel writes:>>
I believe
> that the snug hips are good.  If they are too tight, it
> would end up being painful.<<

I totally agree Gabriel.  Snug is GREAT, *too* tight was my point.

Especially if he just did it and hasn't had time to adjust.

steve


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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] closed cell foam
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:00:24 -0400
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Hi Jim, much as I hate to disagree with Steve (his batting
average is so high for good, solid advice), I believe
that the snug hips are good.  If they are too tight, it
would end up being painful.  I personally like it as you
describe.  Many racers I have discussed this with prefer a
looser fit as their stroke calls for some distance of a
slide on the seat, not likely in the way I outfit for my
uses.  Also, sliding out of the seat for a resting brace is
not an option.  I still like it though.

Nigel Dennis says that the position of the footpegs, to
loose or too tight (wedging your leg) could cause this.
As someone who also likes to be pretty wedged, edging just
takes a muscle tension instead of a leg movement, this was
also
not an option.

I had the same problem so intensely, even after just a half
hour of paddle that I lost feeling and could not stand. It
was rather embarrassing more than once.
Placing an extension to the seat of 3-4 inches (thigh
support) completely alleviated the numbness.  Have not
experienced it since.  YOu can see my Romany outfitted as
such on the kayak outfitting page below.  I used 3" closed
cell to carve it.
I have often thought that such a thigh support could be
velcroed in and easily modified for a paddle float.  Haven't
had the chance to try it.  You do that and send me a picture
I will publish it on the site.

You may experiment by placing a pillow there or an
inflatable paddle float partially deflated.

Let me know what works for you.
gabriel


Steve Scherrer wrote:
> 
> Jim asks:
> >>Any cheap sources of closed cell mini foam?  My left leg is going
> completely numb since I foamed the hips of my kayak.<<
> 
> Do you really need more foam? Or is your leg going to sleep because you
> foamed your hips and made it a bit too tight?  Sounds like you need some
> Dragonskin.  It's a sanding device that allows you to shape the foam.
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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] closed cell foam
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:14:17 -0400
From: <tfj4_at_attbi.com>

> . . . speaking of permanently gluing, I have just tried the following
> approach, and I'm wondering if other have also.  Instead of installing the
> foam with contact cement (which I did in my old kayak, with long-lasting,
> satisfactory results), I put velcro patches in at the points of contact
> where the hip and knee pads go.  The complementary patches are on the backs
> of the pads.

I did similar with my Solstice and for similar reasons.  I used a strap
of webbing with a Fastex buckle around the seat post and some marine
Velcro lower down.

One thing I saw recently on either a Nimbus or Seaward kayak (can't remember
which) was a system that is neat!  The hip pads are made up of three panels
of foam in a nylon sleeve that folds and then is held to the seat posts 
with webbing.  The neat thing is that the way you fold it determines whether
there is one, two or three layers of foam between you and the seat (the
remaining layers are on the outside of the seat post).  That way it's
adjustable and not just removable.

Mike

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From: Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe <aldercreek_at_qwest.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] closed cell foam
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:04:47 -0700
Mike writes:
>>One thing I saw recently on either a Nimbus or Seaward kayak (can't
remember
which)

It's the Nimbus boats.  Not only do they have a cool hip pad system, they
also have that groovy *under the deck* storage tray.  Well thought out
vessels!

steve
Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe    N   45º 39' 47"
250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr.     W 122º 36' 16"
Portland, OR  97217          Web: www.aldercreek.com
Phone: 503.285.0464        Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net





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