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From: Dave Uebele <daveu_at_sptddog.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] [Fwd: kids and kayaks]
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:55:48 -0700
Wrote most of this awhile and only now realized hadn't sent this
to the list.

The latest round in this.  I launched the Pygmy Coho kit built
kayak this weekend.  Fun boat, though a bit of an adjustment
from the rotomolded double. Anyway, my daughter was on shore
with my wife when I launched it, and my daughter was not happy
to be left on shore. She didn't stop crying until I came back
to shore, hauled the boat out and let her sit in it.
Both frustrating, trying to enjoy the inaugeral paddle
of a new boat while hearing the wails and cries, and proud that 
we've succeeded so well in having our daughter enjoy kayaking...

We ended up going the "Pungo" route, having a boat with an
extended cockpit opening so parent and child can be in the same
boat.
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Thank you for the tips and advice about kids and paddling.
Yes, it will mostly be for shorter trips at first, longer
as we all get the hang of this.  Other trips will be done
while we have a sitter.  I'm ready for longer trips, but my wife
is taking a more slow and careful learning curve.

We've been to Olympic Outdoor Center, and they are a great
shop, but the kids classes are for much older kids, and I
think I've heard a better range of suggestions on this list
than there.

Sticking to more protected waters as well was in in the plan.
We'd also planned to attend at least part of the West Coast
Sea Kayak Symposium in Port Townsend this September. Has anyone
received registration information, or know exactly which
weekend it is?

I do like the idea of the outrigger, that's about the best so far.
I just need to figure out how to attach an outrigger as
needed, but still have usable singles the rest of the time.
Maybe even something we can rig into outrigger or seperate and store
the parts while on the water, as an alternative to letting her
paddle and then tow combination.
 
We've done the one adult and our daughter in a double, it just ends up
being a lot of boat for one person to paddle, and we need to look into
ballast to adjust the trim.

The "pungo" with a large cockpit worked a little better, but I'm
nervous about the large open cockpit. We'll probably rent one from
time to time.  Getting a spray skirt to fit adult and child might
be challenging.

We thought about a triple, but would rather have several singles
in the water, so if one boat goes over, the others would be
available for rescue assistance.  If I was going to get or build
a single "family" boat, the Pygmy "wineglass werry" is on the top
of the list, add a small sail to it, and have fun with that.
Or just break down and buy a small sail or powerboat.  Maybe
even a small enclosed cabin boat. Its a slippery  (and expensive) slope.
Maybe if we got a big enough power boat, we could carry or tow the kayaks
to spots that would normally be out of our range, and use that as a
base station....

Trying to keep it fun for our daughter so she learns to grow
into it.  Yes, we are also doing pool sessions to get her used
to being in the water, though there is quite a difference between
the temp of pool water and Puget Sound water.

Again, thank you for all the suggestions.
Its just a little frustrating at this age, you want to get on with
enjoying the outdoors, but skill level, attention span, and
additional stuff or issues with a toddler can really slow you down.
Also waiting for her to turn 5 so we can get her as a passenger
on a motorcycle, and maybe rig up a light trailer to tow a kayak
behind the motorcyle... Scary flights of fancy.

dave

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Dave Uebele (daveu_at_sptddog.com)	 Spotted Dog Systems
http://sptddog.com/daveu.html
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From: Arthur Hebert <seacajun_at_gs.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] [Fwd: kids and kayaks]
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:16:02 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Uebele <daveu_at_sptddog.com>

>Trying to keep it fun for our daughter so she learns to grow
>into it.  Yes, we are also doing pool sessions to get her used
>to being in the water, though there is quite a difference between
>the temp of pool water and Puget Sound water.


Sorry bout jumping in on the end of this thread, but I would like to mention
a couple of things.    My daughter Brooke is a bit older 11 but she started
paddling when she was very young.  On all of our paddles together we play
the sponge game, this is where we throw the sponges at each other using the
paddles only, she loves to get daddy wet.  We may not paddle long distances
but we have a lot fun playing games (not to mention the games help to
sharpen her paddling skills). Does anyone know any more games we can play?
  We also bring one of her friends with us as often as possible, they use
her old Zephyr.  Bringing a friend means so much to her, I guess when she
becomes a teenager she will want to go paddle with her friends and leave
daddy behind.  I guess I'll cross dat bayou when I come to it.
I'm hoping she will not loose interest and continue to grow in the sport, I
think it is a fine line we parents walk to keep our little people's interest
in any sport.  Brooke loves nature so, what better way to experience our
great mother than in a kayak.
Arthur Hebert

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