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From: Peter Osman <PeterO_at_ambri.com.au>
subject: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:43:22 +1000
Dave Kruger wrote

> ...... I do not think it is a good idea to embark on a paddling  
> trip which is likely to overtask someone with poor bracing skills 
> or inadequate self-rescue ability.  Better to go alone.

> So, I am wondering:  how often do others paddle solo, and why?

G'Day

Paddle about 50% solo - love paddling with others and love paddling alone.
One reason for going solo is that some of the safety techniques for Klepper
foldables are not the same as for hardshells and you could count on one hand
the number of regular Klepper paddlers in New South Wales. For example I was
on an excellent course last Saturday, learning a variety of rescue
techniques. At the end of the day the instructor was asked what he would
prefer to use in a rough sea. His answer was reentry and roll. 

When alone I'm sometimes beyond my limit through lack of experience. This is
a real concern - apart from self rescue methods probably the most useful
thing I've learn't is to study the weather, tides and navigation. The
navigation is not for during the trip but for planning beforehand how to
avoid trouble in strange waters. 

As a novice paddling a foldable in a community of hardshell kayakers, its
going to take a while to convince myself and them that I'm a viable partner
on demanding trips. So push my envelope alone a lot of the time and learn as
much as possible about safety. Fortunately the local clubs and professionals
go out of their way to provide training. And fortunately theres Paddlewise!

All the best, PeterO
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From: <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:52:15 -0400
|Yeah, I know some of this might sound elitist, but I do not think it is a good
|idea to embark on a paddling trip which is likely to overtask someone with
|poor bracing skills or inadequate self-rescue ability.  Better to go alone.

|So, I am wondering:  how often do others paddle solo, and why?

I paddle solo 95% of the time.  The wifey does not go as much as I do ,so I go
alone.  I much prefer going alone than with other people.  With other people you
have to set a schedule.  I have enough of schedules at work and try to avoid
them as much as possible on my own time, especially when it comes to recreation.
Saturday I decided on the spur of the moment, the weather was great, to go
yakking.  I got on the water at 6:00pm and paddled around until 9:00pm.  Went
this way and that.  Paddled to a point to take pictures of the sunset.  Went
back the way I had come in the pitch black scarying bank fisherfolk with my
stealthy approach!  8-)  With someone else they may not have wanted to do want I
wanted to do.  They may have wanted off that water at dark or when they got
hungry or had to go the bathroom, etc.  This way I just worry about me and what
window of time I told the wifey I would be home.

When I go with other people I don't have as much fun because I have to watch
what the other people are doing.  Some of the Carolina Canoe Club trips I went
on a few years ago were a real PITA because people would show up without the
limited skills required for the trip.  You then have to spend the group's time
watching out for them.  Not fun.

That leads us the GroupDynamic/SkillSet Discussion again!  8-)

I know of a few people who have sea kayaks but I don't make the effort to paddle
with them because I truely prefer to paddle solo.  I LIKE being out there by
myself.  I don't want to make it a group effort for the previously mentioned
reasons but also because I like the freedom to go as I please.  I really like
paddling at a fast rate for long distances.  I think this is hard to do with
other people.  I run for excercise and don't do that in a group either!  8-)
Paddling with solo means I only have to be responsible for myself and not
others.  That just makes things easier and thus more fun.

As an aside but related issue, I got a new paddle on Saturday.  I have been
wondering if I a shorter paddle would allow me to go faster with equal effort.
My first paddle was 240 cm.  My wifes was 230cm.  We ended up trading because we
preferred the others paddle.  The new one is 220cm and I can't believe how much
easier it is to paddle compared with the longer ones.  I was not able to do my
time hour long runs on Saturday since I was more interested in the sunset but at
a minimum the short paddle is giving me a .5mph increase in speed with the same
effort.  I still don't believe it.  I can't wait to go out again and paddle for
an hour to see what happens.  When I paddle like this I use a high paddling
stroke as opposed to a low stroke I use when just messing around.  So the short
paddle gives me a higher cadence but I did not think it would make that much of
a difference.

Later...
Dan McCarty


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From: <JSpinner_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:06:54 EDT
In a message dated 9/13/99 8:02:58 PM, vaughan_at_jps.net writes:

<< 90-100% of the time.
Same reason.
Plus total lack of social skills>>
LOL

> Dave K wrote:
>
> > So, I am wondering:  how often do others paddle solo, and why?
>
> About 50%-60% of the time - Because I'm an introvert.
>
> Woody >>

95% with others. I am a bit conservative on the safety side and until I can 
roll reliably I think I'd like to be with others. I also enjoy someone being 
out there with me even if we don't say a word. It is like being in the same 
house with someone but not talking. There is a sense of companionship in the 
presence. 
    I've discovered I'm not particularly into big groups. Once in a while it 
is fine and fun to have an entire flock of paddlers but it means too many 
skill levels and you then have to paddle to the lowest common denominator. I 
get fidgety if they are just slow or even nervous if I think they can't make 
it. If they are faster I'm jealous and tempted to not think the kindest 
thoughts of my lovely 13'6" boat and that's not fair. It is like being mad at 
the dog for being a dog. I have to avoid unkindness because she is a 
wonderful short boat. She isn't pretending to be a long boat. I avoid stress 
in my life that way.

5% solo because Woody won't drive over 2 hours to meet me where I want to 
paddle.

Joan
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From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:52:49 -0700
Fellow 'so-low' paddlers:

Dave Kruger said:

>Some of Doug Lloyd's adventures got me to thinking about the issue of solo
>paddling.  Doug is a very ballsy guy who seeks out challenging conditions,
>sometimes testing (or exceeding) his limits.  I do not aspire to Doug's
>heights.  But, I do find myself sometimes out paddling solo in conditions
>which test my meagre skills.

Its funny you know, but I sometimes think the safest, most skilled paddlers
are those who know their limits and stay well within them. They usually
display excellent judgement, have really good common sense, and don't spend
time solo paddling until they have a variety of experience and gained
important understanding by paddling with more experienced friends. Don't
yawn, hear me out! If anyone could have pulled off that crossing to the
Storm Islands, it was Dave Blacoe and I. Though Andrew's (the third member
of the team) rudder dependency and subsequent loss of his rudder and
general inability to handle the open sea slowed us down enough to miss our
"window of opportunity", he was the one who really knew his limits and the
compounding dangers extant. Dave (not Dave Kruger) and I, with greater
skill and ability, were guilty of hubris -- yes, even withstanding Andrew's
problems. Hubris will get all of us sooner or later, if we don't constantly
reevaluate our risk behaviour. (Haven't seen that word before? Look it up,
it should be entered into your brain's lexicon of paddling safety terms).
This is even more true for those of us who solo paddle. Having said that,
funnily enough, it was the fact that we *were* a group, that we even
attempted the crossing. I'm not sure any one of us would have contemplated
crossing on our own. Andrew certainly let himself get talked into it. When
Andrew was asked what he most learned from the rescue, he said, "next time,
I'll go solo".

>I think one of the reasons I am out there wishing I had somebody else
along to
>share the adventure (misery?) is:  I could not find anybody *suitable* to
>paddle with me that day!  And, I wonder how common that is.

Very common - depending on the difficulty level of the trip. Off season
paddling, long crossings, and open coast multi-day trips are the hardest to
pair up for. However, even that is all relative. One of Victoria's top
paddlers, who is a coach, BCU trained, etc, was having a hard time finding
partners for the open coast. He asked if I would like to go on a trip with
him. Sure, you got the transportation, lets go, I said. As it turned out,
he had never threaded much through reefs before, kept following close in
behind me, such that he would get clobbered by boomers, etc. I told him to
find his own routes. A trip or two latter, he was up to speed, until a big
sea was running one day on a different trip, in North Brooks. He said he
had never paddled in anything like what we were in, and never wanted to
again.  I thought it was fairly lumpy, but normal open coast conditions
that day. I'm no sh^*%$t hot paddler or anything, despite my Paddlewise
persona (I'm more of an Energizer bunny - I just keep going and going no
matter what the conditions and sea-state). Point is, experience is relative
and finding perfectly suitable partners very difficult, unless you are all
at a low skill level, paddling sheltered waters. Too many paddlers stay in
that mode, too, unfortunately.
  
(snip).

>Yeah, I know some of this might sound elitist, but I do not think it is a
good
>idea to embark on a paddling trip which is likely to overtask someone with
>poor bracing skills or inadequate self-rescue ability.  Better to go alone.

Tim, from Pacific Water Sports in Seattle, says this as his mantra. He
feels you are far safer alone than with a group of poorly skilled paddlers
if trouble develops, as long as you have good skills, of course. PW'ers in
the area should go have a talk with Tim, he has some good insights.

>So, I am wondering:  how often do others paddle solo, and why?

90% for me. Not too many people want to paddle with me, bad notoriety, you
know. But then, I don't want to paddle with most other people, either. The
good paddlers I know, all have weird personalities and foibles -- I'm
deadly serious. Glad *I* don't have any though <G>

<snip>

I'd love to paddle Dave Kruger, though. He sounds like a mature, thoughtful
guy, epitomizing the consummate, careful paddler. And that's the advantage
of not always going solo -- some good stuff might rub off on you from the
other person!

BC'in Ya
Doug Lloyd

>Here's my profile:
>
>30 % solo
>
>nobody suitable to go with
>
>-- 
>Dave Kruger
>Astoria, OR
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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:26:04 -0700
Doug Lloyd wrote:

> I'd love to paddle Dave Kruger, though. He sounds like a mature, thoughtful
> guy, epitomizing the consummate, careful paddler. And that's the advantage
> of not always going solo -- some good stuff might rub off on you from the
> other person!

That's very gracious of you, Doug.  Doug's observations are thoughtful, as
have been those of many other respondents to this thread.  Doug's post struck
two responsive chords with me:

One:
> Its funny you know, but I sometimes think the safest, most skilled paddlers
> are those who know their limits and stay well within them. They usually
> display excellent judgement, have really good common sense, and don't spend
> time solo paddling until they have a variety of experience and gained
> important understanding by paddling with more experienced friends. [snip]

In my case, when I was in the novice phase, there was no one else to go with,
so I had to go alone, anyway.  I bet that is the case for many others, also. 
And (giggle), I'm not going to reveal all the monumental foul-ups I made out
there when no one was watching!  Another advantage of solo paddling:  no
audience!

A corollary aspect of solo paddling is that I am more focused on my
surroundings, more acutely aware of nuances which escape me when with others. 
It is a much more intense experience, as others have already observed. 
Another paddler is distracting, even though the companionship is rewarding in
a different way.  I am too gregarious to embark on multi-day trips alone,
however.  When Haley [forget her last name; lady who just completed a circuit
of Vancouver Island] dropped by my west coast campsite, it struck me that she
must have been suffering attacks of lonesomeness, because she prattled on at
length.  I'd go nuts after four or five days of not talking to another human!

Two:
> it was the fact that we *were* a group, that we even
> attempted the crossing. I'm not sure any one of us would have contemplated
> crossing on our own. Andrew certainly let himself get talked into it. When
> Andrew was asked what he most learned from the rescue, he said, "next time,
> I'll go solo".

Ah, the deadly dynamics of ego!  Know this well.  Nobody wanted to be the
wimp!  I think this connects with Doug's first point.  When I am alone, I know
it is *completely* my responsibility to judge conditions, so there is no
dodging the duty!  When I am with paddlers of my ability (or stronger), I do
the same damn thing Doug describes -- I "go with the flow" and sometimes get
swept up in the hubris of the moment.  Been in trouble several times because
of this.  Almost always wish I had used my own judgement, instead of
"groupthink."

So, is solo paddling *safer* ... sometimes?

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Philip Torrens <skerries_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:50:39 PDT
Doug L. wrote:
> > it was the fact that we *were* a group, that we even
> > attempted the crossing. I'm not sure any one of us would have 
>contemplated
> > crossing on our own. Andrew certainly let himself get talked into it. 
>When
> > Andrew was asked what he most learned from the rescue, he said, "next 
>time,
> > I'll go solo".

Dave K. commented:
>
>Ah, the deadly dynamics of ego!  Know this well.  Nobody wanted to be the
>wimp!  I think this connects with Doug's first point.  When I am alone, I 
>know
>it is *completely* my responsibility to judge conditions, so there is no
>dodging the duty!  When I am with paddlers of my ability (or stronger), I 
>do
>the same damn thing Doug describes -- I "go with the flow" and sometimes 
>get
>swept up in the hubris of the moment.  Been in trouble several times 
>because
>of this.  Almost always wish I had used my own judgement, instead of
>"groupthink."
>
This observation reminded me of a historian I read about who interviewed all 
those in Kennedy's cabinet (this is a Canadian term - is "cabinet" what the 
US president's advisors are called?) who had been in office during the 
disasterous "Bay of Pigs" non-invasion of Cuba. Decades after the fact, each 
individual claimed to have known at the time it was a bad idea, but since 
the others all were publicly gung-ho...
So Dave & Doug, we can console ourselves with the thought that if a 
thinktank in Camelot can make a mistake like that, we ordinary mortals can 
be allowed our misjudgements. And that even if we do screw up big-time, only 
our own lives will be forfeit, and not those of the innocent....

Philip Torrens
N49°16' W123°06'

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From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:39:28 -0700
Doug Lloyd wrote: <snip> One of Victoria's top paddlers, who is a coach,
BCU trained, etc, was having a hard time finding <snip> He said he had
never paddled in anything like what we were in, and never wanted to again.
I thought it was fairly lumpy, but normal open coast conditions <snip>

Nick Gill asks:


>I find it odd that such a qualified person finds such conditions new and
just follows through gauntlets
>
>Is this a function of canadian coasts and what people mainly paddle?
>nick

Nick,
It is a complex question. Qualifications via certification through germane
schemes are a good thing if handled right, but don't always denote a
paddler's experience. You can paddle thousands of nautical miles, but never
venture out of certain bounries. Is this really then experience? To me
experience denotes someone who has been in a variety of circumstances.

Many paddlers I run into, have lots of certification, can roll 10 different
ways, have excellent theoretical knowledge about tides, secondary reference
ports, etc, yet may not have done much, say, open water touring. I would
rather paddle with someone who has spent some time on the open coast, than
someone with oodles of paperwork. Veteran paddlers like John Dowds have
always maintained this. 

My limited experience with the BCU was that the whitewater guys who slipped
into the courses (during low water months) always went straight to the top
of the class, because they could roll, edge, blah, blah. I'd like to get
those same guys out on the open coast, threading through boomers in the
fog, using only dead reckoning, wave direction, and the reflected sounds
apparent to navigate by.

It is also a matter of degree and relativity. What is an "average" open
coast paddler willing to do to stay close enough to enjoy shoreline
features, yet stay far enough out to avoid danger? My expectations were
higher. I paddle close in, usually. If you have a reef off an obtuse
headland that juts out a mile or more, just below the surface of the water,
 are you going to paddle to the outside? If a boomer does catch you out
near the edge, it will be huge and catastrophic. On the other hand, closer
inshore, the energies of the swell may have dissipated (this is not always
the case). You can still get hit by boomers, but with good bracing skills,
you can "ride out" most stuff (this is advanced stuff). This is not every
body's cup of tea. It is mine, and my cup often runneth over. Your other
choice is to paddle far offshore, and many experienced paddlers do just
that. To me, you mind as well buy a sailboat. 

This route finding skill along exposed coastline is one that requires time
to develop. It is also intuitive for some, and not for others. Buy, borrow,
but read Michael Blades excellent book, "Day of Two Sunsets" for some
descriptive stories about this feature of sea kayaking. Oh, and hear is a
funny story from one of my own trips (not with the fellow mentioned above).
When Dave, Andrew and I were coming down from Bella Bella in April, just
before our crossing to the Strom Islands, we had to round Kelp Head. It is
a very dangerous headland at that time of year - reefs galore, current,
huge westerly swell, and SE gales with COLD water and rain. Dave was always
out way ahead, while I attempted to hang back with Andrew, doing his best.
If you have ever seen confused seas near a headland (most have, even on a
small scale), it looks like thousands of fish are just below the surface of
the water, with triangular waves jumping everywhere. Now, imagine that at
eight to ten feet. Now throw in those boomers.  So, I turn to Andrew, and
we both look at each other knowingly "Yea, lets let *Dave* find the
boomers, after all, he likes being on the point so much." We told Dave our
thought later, he was *not* really amused.We were kind of selfish, but Dave
was a good route finder, after all.

Paddling in heavy weather? What's heavy weather paddling? My friend from
the original post was, and is a very good paddler, always thinking ahead,
always doing the "what if" game that most lame sea kayakers never practice
or recognize as absolutely essential. However, he had never seen seas like
that, and wanted to make a run for an inlet in the evening. He kept
screaming at me about staying together. To me, what was the problem, it was
normal for Brooks Bay, but then I'd been there before. But I bet if you got
me out off Tasmania in that 40 foot stuff with those electric-pump-crazy,
down-under types, I'd be "dumping" in my cockpit.  

And before I get off my soap box, we get a lot of courses in BC from retail
shops that say, "Three day ocean kayaking course. Learn all you need to be
an experienced sea kayaker". The problems hear in Canada are not a function
of our coast (though we do have lots of protected water). The problem is
with slick marketing, retail driven ethics, yup-yakers who want to be real
kayakers with little or no effort, and an often total focus on
color-coordinated paddles, boats, hats, and booties, and third hatchs for
the dog. But then, who am I to say such things?

In closing, another portion of a song by Bob Dylan -- "Knock knocking on
heavens door". You have to picture a BCU guy, his certification badge torn
off his PFD by his own hand, slowly drifting into death from hypothermia,
separated from his kayak (no leash?):

"Momma, take this badge off of me, I can't use it anymore"
"It's getting dark, too dark to see, feeling I'm knocking on Heaven's Door"
"Knock, Knock, Knocking on Heaven's Door, "Knock, Knock, Knocking on
Heaven's Door..."

Ouch, just fell off my box!

BC'in Ya
Doug Lloyd 

 

 
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From: Michael R Noyes <mnoyes_at_gsinet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:18:17 -0400
Doug Lloyd wrote:

>  So, I turn to Andrew, and
> we both look at each other knowingly "Yea, lets let *Dave* find the
> boomers, after all, he likes being on the point so much." We told Dave our
> thought later, he was *not* really amused.We were kind of selfish, but Dave
> was a good route finder, after all.
>

I had a similar experience, only on a river.  My cousin is a rock magnet.  That
is the only way we can describe it, if there is a rock in the river, or under
the snow, he will find it.  On a trip down the Saco river in Maine we came up
on Walkers Rips, a mild class 2.  I held back a bit and told my daughter to
watch where Jeff goes.  She said "Oh, you want to know where the rocks are?"
Sure enough, he found them.  It made the clear route through much easier for us
to find.
I'm trying to get him into sea kayaking, without luck so far.  Maybe I should
tell him that the rocks are easier to avoid?

Mike
--
    Paddling along through fog so thick that only one's thoughts are
visible, your reverie is abruptly shattered by the ancient cry of a great
blue heron as she lifts uncertainly from the brilliant blue of a
mussel-shell beach witnessed only by the brooding, wet spruce....your
passage home seems as much back through time as it does through space.
Mark H Hunt


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From: Dave Williams <paddler_at_loxinfo.co.th>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:03:05 +0700
Hi Doug and all,

Doug Lloyd wrote:
>My limited experience with the BCU was that the whitewater guys who slipped
into the courses (during low water months) always went straight to the top
of the class, because they could roll, edge, blah, blah. I'd like to get
those same guys out on the open coast, threading through boomers in the fog,
using only dead reckoning, wave direction, and the reflected sounds apparent
to navigate by.

I see nothing positive in downgrading whitewater skills.  Afterall, a brace
is a brace, a roll is a roll.  I think it is much better if we embrace all
paddlers.  We do have a lot of common interests.  If you'd like to "get
those same guys out on a open coast..." then by all means do so.  You might
be surprised to find that they can handle as much as you... or you maybe
not.  I know I had no problem switching from fresh to salt water.  My
technique is still very much the same though I have modified my forward
stroke a good bit.

My only experience with the BCU was when a Welsh BCU instructor came over
here and trained some guides for a company which I used to work for.  I
couldn't believe how easy it was to get to 4 stars with THIS guy.  I heard
that it's supposed to be a bit more difficult, so I'm not about to judge the
whole system by one person's "style" of grading.

Doug, perhaps you should go paddling with some highly skilled whitewater
paddlers and share your knowledge with them and gain their knowledge in
return.  If you think that whitewater is easier than sea kayaking, you ain't
going down the right river.  I've been pounded in both and I have the utmost
respect for both. I also have the utmost respect for the paddlers who live
through both.

Cheers,
Dave the mediator

Dave Williams
dave_at_paddleasia.com
http://paddleasia.com
Phuket, Thailand


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From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:37:06 -0700
Dave Williams questions part of a post, as follows:
>
>Doug Lloyd wrote:
>>My limited experience with the BCU was that the whitewater guys who slipped
>>into the courses (during low water months) always went straight to the top
>>of the class, because they could roll, edge, blah, blah. <snip n'cut>

Dave says:
>I see nothing positive in downgrading whitewater skills.<snip-snip>. I
think it is >much better if we embrace all paddlers.<s> Doug, perhaps you
should go paddling with >some highly skilled whitewater paddlers and share
your knowledge with them and gain >their knowledge in return.<s>  

I think this is a case of mistaken "inventory". My post had nothing to do
with whitewater kayaking or whitewater paddlers. It was merely illustrative
of the consensus amongst west coast sea kayakers, of far greater
intelligence and even forbearance than myself, that BCU (*or* equivalent)
assessment schemes often place greater emphasis on hard skills, over and
above soft skills. That was my point. I even heard Frank Goodman of Valley
Canoe fame once state at a sea kayak symposium, that he'd been out in huge
swell at the base of some high cliffs where the whitewater boys were
barfing in terror. Frank Goodman is a highly skilled sea and whitewater
paddler who embraces all pursuits, and I believe he was using the same sort
of illustration in a debate we were having with Will Nordby over
certification  (in the mid eighties).

I am sorry if the "tone" of my post suggested something I did not mean.
Personally, I believe paddlers who cross-over to both sea and river
paddling make the best rough water ocean paddlers. But, that is not what
paddling at sea is really all about. Paddling on water is about letting
your time in the water-world restore, revitalize, renew and reinvigorate
your perception of your 'breath of a moment' life. Paddling on the ocean,
by-and-large, is all about gently gliding over the surface of the
undulating sea, where our spirits are soothed by a multiplicity of sounds
that connect us to a greater reality. On a lake or inland sea-way, you
often commune with yourself as much as nature. On a river, you flow ,one
with the current, working with it, intelligently dealing with obstacles --
just as you do in this grand journey called life, where twists and turns
abound.    

Sorry I bailed in a stopper and screwed up the post - again! Thanks Dave
for the swift water, "Z" line rescue and pulling me out. Now, I better look
up John Winter's post on E-Prime.

BC'in Ya
Doug Lloyd
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From: Dave Williams <paddler_at_loxinfo.co.th>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Solo or Not?
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:59:18 +0700
Hi Doug and all,

Dave Williams questions part of a post, as follows:
>
>Doug Lloyd wrote:
>>My limited experience with the BCU was that the whitewater guys who
slipped
>>into the courses (during low water months) always went straight to the top
>>of the class, because they could roll, edge, blah, blah. <snip n'cut>

Dave says:
>I see nothing positive in downgrading whitewater skills.<snip-snip>. I
think it is >much better if we embrace all paddlers.<s> Doug, perhaps you
should go paddling with >some highly skilled whitewater paddlers and share
your knowledge with them and gain >their knowledge in return.<s>

Doug wrote:
I think this is a case of mistaken "inventory". My post had nothing to do
with whitewater kayaking or whitewater paddlers. It was merely illustrative
of the consensus amongst west coast sea kayakers, of far greater
intelligence and even forbearance than myself, that BCU (*or* equivalent)
assessment schemes often place greater emphasis on hard skills, over and
above soft skills. That was my point.

I guess I missed your point.  I also guess I get a little on edge whenever I
hear, or as in this case misinterpret, someone talking about whitewater
paddlers.  I'm not overly familiar with the BCU schemes, but from what I've
seen of it, I'm also not overly impressed.  It does have it's place and it
serves to educate the masses.  But with all such 'big league' organizations,
it's gonna have its drawbacks... such as personal attention to individuals I
reckon'.

Doug wrote:
I am sorry if the "tone" of my post suggested something I did not mean.

Absolutely no need to apologize Doug, but thanks anyway :-)  That's part of
the problem with "talking" to someone without seeing their expressions or
knowing anything about them.  It's really easy to read more into something
than was implied.  I'm probably pretty good at that one!  I didn't mean to
sound as strong as you may have thought I was sounding.

Doug wrote:
Personally, I believe paddlers who cross-over to both sea and river paddling
make the best rough water ocean paddlers. But, that is not what paddling at
sea is really all about. Paddling on water is about letting your time in the
water-world restore, revitalize, renew and reinvigorate your perception of
your 'breath of a moment' life. Paddling on the ocean, by-and-large, is all
about gently gliding over the surface of the undulating sea, where our
spirits are soothed by a multiplicity of sounds that connect us to a greater
reality. On a lake or inland sea-way, you often commune with yourself as
much as nature. On a river, you flow ,one with the current, working with it,
intelligently dealing with obstacles -- just as you do in this grand journey
called life, where twists and turns abound.

There, now I know a little bit more about you... For one thing, I know
you're a good writer!  Thanks for this paragraph.

Cheers buddy,
Dave

Dave Williams
dave_at_paddleasia.com
http://paddleasia.com
Phuket, Thailand

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