Digging through piles of stuff in the basement ,which I had to clear out so a new furnace could be installed, I discovered one of those fancy "wing" paddles. My best recollection is that I aquired it after a mainly marguerita lunch. "I must be doing something wrong", best describes my experience with it. Anybody know how to make these things work? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Bob: Start with a high stroke (in which the paddle more vertical while pulling rather than the low stroke in which the paddle is more horizontal while pulling). Then instead of pulling straight back, pull slightly diagonally away from the boat -- scything wheat with straight arms. This slight diagonal direction is the key to getting lift from the wing blade. Cheers, Richard Culpeper culpeper_at_tbaytel.net BaysideBob wrote: > Digging through piles of stuff in the basement ,which I had > to clear out so a new furnace could be installed, I discovered > one of those fancy "wing" paddles. My best recollection is > that I aquired it after a mainly marguerita lunch. "I must be > doing something wrong", best describes my experience > with it. > > Anybody know how to make these things work? > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: BaysideBob <vaughan_at_jps.net> >Digging through piles of stuff in the basement ,which I had >to clear out so a new furnace could be installed, I discovered >one of those fancy "wing" paddles. My best recollection is >that I aquired it after a mainly marguerita lunch. "I must be >doing something wrong", best describes my experience >with it. > >Anybody know how to make these things work? > Greg Barton does. Nigel Foster had a great article on them in Sea Kayaker a year or two ago and also had a good critique of their weaknesses, I thought. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Richard, Thanks for the info. I also found a few websites explaining the technique. It's easier to do than explain. I went out on a recently acquired surf-ski this am and the paddle worked as advertised. The technique involves way less arms and way more torso. I found myself concentrating on the "proper stroke" and the experience reminded me more of sculling than kayaking (except I could see where I was headed). Very satisfying paddling. I noticed one other thing. The literature says using the wing paddle involves larger muscle groups than a conventional paddle. I believe it. I found myself getting "winded" instead of "tired". My heart-rate monitor died years ago and I don't mean to restart that thread again, but I do believe the using a wing paddle may be more "aerobic" than conventional touring paddles. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] wing paddle > Hi Bob: > > Start with a high stroke (in which the paddle more vertical while pulling > rather than the low stroke in which the paddle is more horizontal while > pulling). Then instead of pulling straight back, pull slightly diagonally away > from the boat -- scything wheat with straight arms. This slight diagonal > direction is the key to getting lift from the wing blade. > > Cheers, > Richard Culpeper *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Roberto of the Bayou: My experience with aforementioned wing paddle is limited........it's kind of like flossing; you know vaguely that it's good for you.....but you just can't warm up to the miserable thing. I know all about it, you get it in the mail and tear at the wrappings and proceed to the lake to give it a try and discover that it rolls oddly in your wrist. That's why it resides in your cellar. I've given some thought to this-- and a limited amount of practice.....here's what helps--here's what this overpriced little kayak accessory wants: It wants a high-angle attack to the water--you need to stretch further forward than you thought you could ever before and plant it in the water close to the sheer of your kayak....oh..... somewhere close to the front grab loop. The little sucker then exits the water *before* it gets to your hip...........and before you know it the other side is planted impossibly forward of any stroke you've ever taken........you're about to find out that yes, you can roll with it.......but it makes a terrible bracing paddle. If you feel that it rolls oddly in your wrist you are probably taking to low an angle's bite into the water. Torso rotation is all important in this (the paddle's) domain.......I've sat down for hours and watched Greg Barton in slo-mo and freeze frame with his perfect form in a baidarka squeezing 9 MPH out of the craft with a wing........talk about torso rotation.....his *shoulders* cross the center line of the boat!!! And yes....it works--- anywhere from 5% to 15% increase in efficiency ......it's just a bird of another stripe......a specific tool......FOR RACING........not a recreational paddle......I have threatened to have my wife lock up all my other paddles in the gun closet and let me surf and recreate with this paddle only......never quite taken that step......I may yet. BaysideBob wrote: > Digging through piles of stuff in the basement ,which I had > to clear out so a new furnace could be installed, I discovered > one of those fancy "wing" paddles. My best recollection is > that I aquired it after a mainly marguerita lunch. "I must be > doing something wrong", best describes my experience > with it. > > Anybody know how to make these things work? > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- > " now if I can just figure out how to sneak that carbon-fiber state-of-the-art > surf-ski I'm looking at into my back yard to go along with my dandy paddle > without wifey noticing...." > you just pay every month like a dutiful ox > that you are treading out the grain to the benefit of the Philistines with which > we live. "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain" (Deuteronomy 25:4) Am I asking so much? Just a little boat to paddle around? A few hours of peace to do it? Yeah, I'll pull the weeds, paint the pourch, give me the list, but grant me one little space of my own in this life. "Philistine" might be a bit strong but as long as we're using Biblical references try the term "quarrelsome wife" in Proverbs 19:13, 21:9, 21:19, 25:24 and 27:15 "What surf-ski?"....."Oh *that* surf-ski......um, ....it's been > out here for a while now......funny you never noticed it before....." (never > make eye contact) > This works nicely for the first half dozen kayaks......but will eventually > need to be upgraded to a regular percentage/bribe system. Start about 5% and > work your way up to 15% at the absolute worst case........ This system cuts > through the usual subterfuge as you simply answer her query......."Oh, is that a > new kayak?"........."How 'bout a bribe?" > I have exceeded the half-dozen point and find it more and more difficult. The problem is, I believe, universal. I recently purchased a surf-ski from a gentleman and the biggest problem wasn't money, it was timing. How to get it from his garage, where it was hidden under boxes, to my house while both spouses were absent. I am now trying to reduce my harem (fleet) and find myself negotiating via secret Hotmail accounts so the buyer's wife remains a minus-tide state of awareness. This is a social problem that must be addressed. In the SF Bay are there is even a rowing club called the "Bay Blades". You guessed it..... a rowing club for gay males. And what do we married paddlers have? Nothing, zip, nada.........How can this be corrected? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> This is a social problem that must be addressed. In the SF Bay are > there is even a rowing club called the "Bay Blades". You guessed it..... > a rowing club for gay males. And what do we married paddlers have? > Nothing, zip, nada.........How can this be corrected? Why does it need correction? A number of paddlers in my kayaking circles here are gay. One founded and headed up a leading paddling association here and another is a leading figure in what we do locally. I consider them very good friends to whom I have no trouble giving an abrazo to, the Latino hug greeting. Their being gay is no big deal and no more of an identifier than height, hair color, etc. When one invited us to hear him perform at Lincoln Center with the Gay Man Health Chorus (GMHC) it was clear it was his way of coming out to the group. However, my reaction when I got the GMHC invitation from him was "Gee, I didn't know Craig could sing!" There was a major discussion a long time ago on WaveLength about gays and paddling that got quite heated. But it is no big deal. If you like what a group does on the water, join them. It is the water not life style that counts. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph The problem isn't "gay", it's "married". I suppose it would include gay males who's SO is a non-paddler. It would probably also include anyone, male female, straight or gay who's SO/spouse/husband/wife/or whatever you call that person who takes half the stuff when they pack up and leave that doesn't paddle. Ask anyone who's been selling boats for awhile. A couple (an combination of gender) comes in: Person "A" is touching boats, sticking their head inside hatches for a wiff of recently cured resin. Person "B" is trying to be polite but you can see their boredom. "A", if they have other boats, is careful not to ask about hatch options and upgraded lay-ups for fear dollar amounts will be spoken within "B's" hearing. "B" views the boats as a threat. They only hold one person, so they exclude the other person. They cost as much or more than most pieces of furniture or major appliances. The problem is not sexual orientation. It's much greater. It's about money and attention. And that is a very big deal. ----- Original Message ----- From: <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com> To: BaysideBob <vaughan_at_jps.net> Cc: Chris & Ellen Kohut <chriskayak_at_earthlink.net>; <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] wing paddle > Why does it need correction? A number of paddlers in my kayaking > circles here are gay. One founded and headed up a leading paddling > association here and another is a leading figure in what we do > locally. I consider them very good friends to whom I have no trouble > giving an abrazo to, the Latino hug greeting. Their being gay is no big > deal and no more of an identifier than height, hair color, etc. When > one invited us to hear him perform at Lincoln Center with the Gay Man > Health Chorus (GMHC) it was clear it was his way of coming out to the > group. However, my reaction when I got the GMHC invitation from him was > "Gee, I didn't know Craig could sing!" > > There was a major discussion a long time ago on WaveLength about gays > and paddling that got quite heated. But it is no big deal. If you like > what a group does on the water, join them. It is the water not life > style that counts. > > ralph diaz > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter > PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 > Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com > "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I used to collect VW's. VW's and kayaks fall into much the same genre. You can't have just one. My wife threatened one time, "If you bring home one more VW, I'm leaving!" My first response was, "hmm, I could sure use the parking space." My second thought was much more considered. Hmm, who'd wash all these cars if she left? Suffer the slings and arrows. Bruce Whole Earth Outfitters *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
BaysideBob wrote: > The problem isn't "gay", it's "married". I suppose it would include a gay male > whose SO is a non-paddler. It would probably also include anyone, [snip] -- > who takes half the stuff when they pack up and leave -- that doesn't > paddle. [edited -- for clarity, I hope -- JDK] > > Ask anyone who's been selling boats for awhile. A couple > comes in: Person "A" is touching boats, sticking their head inside hatches > for a wiff of recently cured resin. Person "B" is trying to be polite but > you can see their boredom. [snip] > "B" views the boats as a threat. They only hold one person, so they exclude > the other person. They cost as much or more than most pieces of furniture > or major appliances. The problem is not sexual orientation. It's much greater. > It's about money and attention. And that is a very big deal. Bayside has hit it on the head. This is why I own *all* the paddling gear, boats, etc., and my SO owns none of it. She loves to paddle, and a couple of the boats are "hers," but she never feels that a new boat cuts into her disposable income or time with me. Hmmmm ... come to think of it, the last two boats were sorta bought at her instigation ... what's going on here?!! OTOH, if I contemplate *building* another boat ... that's another matter! (She does not build boats!) -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: > > BaysideBob wrote: > > > The problem isn't "gay", it's "married". I suppose it would include a gay male > > whose SO is a non-paddler. It would probably also include anyone, [snip] -- > > who takes half the stuff when they pack up and leave -- that doesn't > > paddle. [edited -- for clarity, I hope -- JDK] > > > > Ask anyone who's been selling boats for awhile. A couple > > comes in: Person "A" is touching boats, sticking their head inside hatches > > for a wiff of recently cured resin. Person "B" is trying to be polite but > > you can see their boredom. [snip] > > "B" views the boats as a threat. They only hold one person, so they exclude > > the other person. They cost as much or more than most pieces of furniture > > or major appliances. The problem is not sexual orientation. It's much greater. > > It's about money and attention. And that is a very big deal. > > Bayside has hit it on the head. This is why I own *all* the paddling gear, > boats, etc., and my SO owns none of it. She loves to paddle, and a couple of > the boats are "hers," but she never feels that a new boat cuts into her > disposable income or time with me. Hmmmm ... come to think of it, the last > two boats were sorta bought at her instigation ... what's going on here?!! I guess I'm one of the luck ones. No, zero, nada problems with my kayaks, or heading out for a few. Infact, my folbot, aleut, was a supprise gift from my wife, for our 20th. The kodiak folbot was also a gift from her after I sold the 22' sailboat(which she hated). She figures this is better than the harleys and hell raising days(cheaper too). James *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Had a customer many years ago that says his wife divorced him for just such reasons and it didn't help that his kayak was our second design the "Escape". As he told it, she figured she was who he was trying to escape from. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com -----Original Message----- From: BaysideBob <vaughan_at_jps.net> <SNIP> "B" views the boats as a threat. They only hold one person, so >they exclude >the other person. They cost as much or more than most pieces of furniture >or major >appliances. The problem is not sexual orientation. It's much greater. >It's about >money and attention. And that is a very big deal. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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