This is a social problem that must be addressed. In the SF Bay are > there is even a rowing club called the "Bay Blades". You guessed it..... > a rowing club for gay males. And what do we married paddlers have? > Nothing, zip, nada.........How can this be corrected? Unless you're going to sleep with your kayaking companions, what difference does their sexual orientation make?? If you like the people join - otherwise find a different group. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Some people are soooooo sensitive. Read the whole post. I envy the Bay Blades. They're doing something ! It's us hooked-up guys that are on the outs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Holtzman <waterdoc_at_earthlink.net> To: <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] PaddleWise V1 #702 > This is a social problem that must be addressed. In the SF Bay are > > > > there is even a rowing club called the "Bay Blades". You guessed it..... > > > > a rowing club for gay males. And what do we married paddlers have? > > > > Nothing, zip, nada.........How can this be corrected? > > > > > > Unless you're going to sleep with your kayaking companions, what difference > does their sexual orientation make?? > > > > > > If you like the people join - otherwise find a different group. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
are you suggesting starting a paddling club just for married males? what of the ladies? or the bisexual boaters? please state what you think the "social problem" is a bit more clearly, please... john Steve Holtzman wrote: > This is a social problem that must be addressed. In the SF Bay are > > > there is even a rowing club called the "Bay Blades". You guessed it..... > > > a rowing club for gay males. And what do we married paddlers have? > > > Nothing, zip, nada.........How can this be corrected? > > Unless you're going to sleep with your kayaking companions, what difference > does their sexual orientation make?? > > If you like the people join - otherwise find a different group. > > Steve > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Holtzman wrote: > > This is a social problem that must be addressed. In the SF Bay are > > > there is even a rowing club called the "Bay Blades". You guessed it..... > > > a rowing club for gay males. And what do we married paddlers have? > > > Nothing, zip, nada.........How can this be corrected? > > Unless you're going to sleep with your kayaking companions, what difference > does their sexual orientation make?? > > If you like the people join - otherwise find a different group. > > Steve I apologize to BaysideBob for taking his point about Bay Blades as being a stand-offish attitude toward gay people. Most people seemed to have seen his posting in the light he meant it (the woes of married paddlers dealing with their SOs lack of interest in their paddling passion and its expense in time and money), although one poster, Steve Holtzman whose posting is reproduced above, saw it the way I did...as anti-gay. I guess I am a bit sensitive on this because of that WaveLength discussion of a few years ago, which I mentioned, that got pretty heated. To my recollection, it started with someone being concerned about a camping trip in which two gay guys were sleeping in a tent and doing what lovers do much to the consternation of others. Then it went to having kids along hearing this etc. and saying we shouldn't be paddling with gays. Quite a few postings were made on the subject, including from me with pretty much what I said in my post to BaysideBob this weekend about good friends of mine, who happen to be gay, who are generous paddlers, contribute enormously to the good of our local kayaking community and are great to be with in any setting because they are so upbeat. It was in light of that controversy back in WaveLength that I read more into BaysideBob's comment than there was. Again apologies. I am now off to paddle along the Manhattan shoreline and hoping that the gay sirens who sunbath nude at the end of the Greenwich Village piers don't attempt to seduce me into crashing on the rocks. :-) Now I hope nobody reads anything homophobic in that remark!!! ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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john mcanally wrote: > are you suggesting starting a paddling club just for married males? what of > the ladies? or the bisexual boaters? please state what you think the "social > problem" is a bit more clearly, please... > john Lessee, we wear rubber clothes, discuss the virtues of various types of ropes and straps, go on endlessly about the right way to paddle - maybe we're already sufficiently deviant that we can't have much to say about anyone else... Tongue obviously in cheek, Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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