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From: Rene Milo <rmilo_at_ibm.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:43:59 -0400
Chuck Holst wrote:
> 
>    <<snipped>>
> Probably the biggest problem with all these cameras is keeping water drops off the lens. <snipped>
> 

Licking the lens with your tongue at least gets rid of the big drops. 
And it's handy.
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:53:10 -0400
>>>
>I do wonder, however, what kinds of cameras you use.  Are they
>waterproof?  How do you protect them on trips?  Any other
>photography-related suggestions?
> -Jessica
>>>
        I've used a Pentax WR-90 camera for some years now.  It's been
superseded lately by the Pentax WR-105 but I believe the -90 is still
available.  Both are Water-resistant in that they will take some immersion
to, say, a foot or so.  I once had mine in an ammo box that I didn't know
leaked and it was totally submerged for some 16 hours.  No problems.    This
is an autofocus, built in flash, autoprogramming, with more bells and
whistles than I've used.  The lens  zooms from 28-90 mm (motor driven),
contrast and sharpness is very good, and it seems to program itself along
the same lines that I would think about for a given shot.
        I have also used a Minolta X-700 with either a 28-80 or 80-200 mm
manual zoom lens (Sigma).  This is also a good combination.  On the water I
keep it in a Lexan Dive Box with a clear gasketed lid.  It's worked well for
some years now.
        I have, but don't use too often, a Voyageur Equipment protection
bag.  It has a waterproof (i.e. resistant) seal and inflatable sides to
provide flotation and to protect the equipment.  It works well but it's a
little too bulky.
        Joe P.


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From: <Sandykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:27:26 EDT
In a message dated 9/20/99 3:51:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
aburton1_at_maine.rr.com writes:

<< I use a disposable camera from Fuji (8.99 at the grocery store), carried 
in a ziplock bag.   >>

Hurray!  I'm glad someone mentioned the el cheapos.  I think they also have 
waterproof ones.  Has anyone "tested" their waterproofness?

Sandy Kramer
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From: Donald Schoengold <donaldsc_at_vegas.infi.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:44:25 -0700
My brother took a bunch of them on a Grand Canyon raft trip.  He kept it in a
bag when not in use but he did use it in rapids.  The pictures at the beginning
of a roll were better than those at the end of the roll but it did survive dry.

Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/20/99 3:51:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> aburton1_at_maine.rr.com writes:
>
> << I use a disposable camera from Fuji (8.99 at the grocery store), carried
> in a ziplock bag.   >>
>
> Hurray!  I'm glad someone mentioned the el cheapos.  I think they also have
> waterproof ones.  Has anyone "tested" their waterproofness?
>
> Sandy Kramer
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From: Catherine Veraghen <catherin_at_imagebuilder.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:53:46 -0700
Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote:

> << I use a disposable camera from Fuji (8.99 at the grocery store), carried
> in a ziplock bag.   >>
>
> Hurray!  I'm glad someone mentioned the el cheapos.  I think they also have
> waterproof ones.  Has anyone "tested" their waterproofness?

I always keep a cheapo, disposable Fuji waterproof camera in my bag of
kayaking stuff. I keep it tethered to the waistline shockcord of my spray
skirt, and it nestles in the water that puddles there while I paddle. Since it
is attached by a long rubber band kind of thing, I don't have to free it to
take a photo. I just stretch it up to eye level and snap away. I have had
excellent luck with these. I find that the photos aren't bad, the camera
itself is nice and lightweight, and it can withstand alot of banging around.
The only downside is not knowing whether the plastic housing is recycled after
the film has been developed. I hate to think that I am adding to some landfill
with every camera I send in to the developer.

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From: <KayakherSC_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:08:06 EDT
I recently shelled out 150 big ones for a Canon Sure Shot A-1, a floating 
point and shoot for amateurs like me.  Shoots underwater, too, which is 
always handy for those extra seconds between capsize and roll.  It takes 
excellent photos, and I could have paid for most of it by the time I gave up 
buying all those disposable cams.  Sandy 
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From: Barbara Kossy <bkossy_at_igc.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:54:56
I love love my Canon Sure Shot A-1. It has great optics. Rugged, easy to
drag every where. None of that annoying point-and-shoot delay while the
camera figures out what it's doing, so it's great for grab shots, a commom
way I shot while paddling. Just be sure to keep the internal o-ring clean,
especially if you're submerging it.
There was a Canon Aqua-Snappy made earlier that I loved too. Bright orange
with a better waterproofing system. A little bigger and heavier. I flat out
lost that one somewhere. 


At 07:08 PM 9/20/1999 EDT, KayakherSC_at_aol.com wrote:
>I recently shelled out 150 big ones for a Canon Sure Shot A-1, a floating 
>point and shoot for amateurs like me.  Shoots underwater, too, which is 
>always handy for those extra seconds between capsize and roll.  It takes 
>excellent photos, and I could have paid for most of it by the time I gave up 
>buying all those disposable cams.  Sandy 
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:51:49 -0400
>The only downside is not knowing whether the plastic housing is recycled
after
>the film has been developed. I hate to think that I am adding to some
landfill
>with every camera I send in to the developer.
>
        Yes, it is.   Most companies who make these will reload and reuse
these.


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From: Elaine Harmon <eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:16:47 -0400 (EDT)
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Joe Pylka wrote:
(re whether disposable camera housings are recycled)
>         Yes, it is.   Most companies who make these will reload and reuse
> these.

I keep being told this, but I use lots of them, and have never bought one
that didn't appear to be brand new and unscuffed. Hmmmm...anybody else?

I have noted that picture quality, even in the same brand, varies a lot
from one camera to the next. I suppose it's the plastic lenses. And OK,
I'm sold on the chamois idea for water drops on cameras and sunglasses.
Thanks, Dave! e

Elaine Harmon - eilidh_at_dc.seflin.org - eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu



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From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:21:15 -0700
Dave Kruger wrote:
>Good luck finding a WR-90.  I hear the WR-105 is an inferior unit, and the
>90's are in short supply.  I'm NOT selling mine!

I just picked one up at the used camera store for $229.00 (Canadian). It
came with a warranty of 6 months. The only thing wrong with it is the
infrared remote does not work. I snapped it up right away. And as always,
it was easier to ask my wife for forgiveness (an unauthorized expenditure)
than it was to seek her permission first :-)

I have not got any pictures back yet, but I understand the very nice
picture of a Greenlandic iceberg sans kayak, on the Current Designs catalog
was taken with the WR-90.

BC'in Ya
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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:16:32 -0700
Doug Lloyd wrote:
> 
> Dave Kruger wrote:
> >Good luck finding a WR-90.  I hear the WR-105 is an inferior unit, and the
> >90's are in short supply.  I'm NOT selling mine!
> 
> I just picked one up at the used camera store for $229.00 (Canadian). It
> came with a warranty of 6 months. The only thing wrong with it is the
> infrared remote does not work. I snapped it up right away.

Your post reminded me that my IR remote went belly up a couple months ago. 
When I mentioned this to someone, he said the remotes are available
separately.  Have not gotten around to that, yet ...

BTW, CDN$229 is a freaking bargain!  Mine sold for US$200 new (maybe CDN$300?)

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From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:21:17 -0700
I've used these for a while now. I get some good pictures and some not so
good ones, but the bottom line is that I *do* have a record of my trips,
where on the water rough stuff shots would not have otherwise been
possible. How many times have you said "If only I had a camera handy!"?

The last issue of Wavelength Magazine (a westcoast publication) has an
article on recyclable cameras, written by myself. The research I did
indicated the camera parts are used again. You can tell if the manufacturer
has a re-use program, as they normally advertise as such at the retailer. 

Some would call the "coke bottle" optics a joke, but at up to 800 asa, with
the right conditions, I've got a few good ones. I was able to document the
rescue by fishboat and Coast Guard recently with one of these cameras that
was on a short tether on the deck. I did roll right over once trying to get
a particular shot, and didn't need to worry about the camera. I could scan
a few of the pictures of the rescue onto a html site, but then you would
all have evidence of my need for further BCU training :-)

BC'in Ya
Doug Lloyd 



At 03:53 PM 9/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote:
>
>> << I use a disposable camera from Fuji (8.99 at the grocery store), carried
>> in a ziplock bag.   >>
>>
>> Hurray!  I'm glad someone mentioned the el cheapos.  I think they also have
>> waterproof ones.  Has anyone "tested" their waterproofness?
>
>I always keep a cheapo, disposable Fuji waterproof camera in my bag of
>kayaking stuff. I keep it tethered to the waistline shockcord of my spray
>skirt, and it nestles in the water that puddles there while I paddle.
Since it
>is attached by a long rubber band kind of thing, I don't have to free it to
>take a photo. I just stretch it up to eye level and snap away. I have had
>excellent luck with these. I find that the photos aren't bad, the camera
>itself is nice and lightweight, and it can withstand alot of banging around.
>The only downside is not knowing whether the plastic housing is recycled
after
>the film has been developed. I hate to think that I am adding to some
landfill
>with every camera I send in to the developer.
>
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From: Erik Sprenne <sprenne_at_netnitco.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:11:39 -0500
> Chuck Holst <CHUCK_at_multitech.com> wrote:
> Probably the biggest problem with all these cameras is keeping water
drops off the lens. I have a lens cap on my Nikonos but was never able to  
come up with satisfactory protection for the Weathermatics. It's a good  
idea to carry a dry tissue or pieces of paper towel in a ziploc bag for  
wiping off the lens.
> 

what works well for me is buying a window washing squeegee (flat plastic
body with an inserted rubber squeegee strip), cutting off a small length
(sized to be able to sweep all water droplets off the lens), and then tying
this mini-squeegee to the camera so that it is always handy for use.  
Using fingers to wipe water droplets off the lens usually leaves (at best)
at least a few droplets within the film's field of view, and can (at worst)
leave oily residue on the lens.  The mini-sqeegee can get *all* the
droplets off the central 'visible' parts of the lens and leaves no residue
--- and prevents having to hassle with keeping some sort of dry wipes
protected/dry.  
The downside of using a squeegee is that any coating on the lens is
eventually worn off, but this has less of an effect on the printed
pictures than do water droplets.

On cameras  --  I'm still using my Nikon Action Touch (waterproof
point-and-shoot), which hasn't been made in many years.  If anyone finds a
used one of these for sale, let me know - I'd like to have a spare  ;-)

Play Hard,
Erik Sprenne
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From: Mel Grindol <grindol_at_my-deja.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:22:24 -0700
Dave Kruger wrote:
>Good luck finding a WR-90.  I hear the WR-105 is an inferior unit,

I'm trying to figure out where this rumor got started.  I've had my WR-105 for a year now with absolutely no problems.  It's gone for at least two swims on the end of a tether.  It's been rained on all day.  It also proved that my new Gore-Tex jacket works when it had condensation all over the lens after being tucked under my PFD for a few hours.

The only thing that changed on the camera was they added a little more length to the zoom.  How does this minor change suddenly transform a fantastic camera into a bad one?  This rumor always struck me as the reaction of someone who buys something only to find there was a slightly better model available or that theirs has been replaced only a month later by the manufacturer with a new improved model.  "There must be something wrong with that model I didn't get."

Not trying to be rude, just that my personal experience with the WR-105 has been great.  If it's inferior to the WR-90 then the 90 must be able to survive a sledgehammer blow.  :)

BTW:  The little IR remote is available separately and is fantastic.  When my wife and I returned from Ross Lake with multiple shots of the two of us together everyone wanted to now how we got those shots.  "Well, you know, the bears are real friendly and with a little training..."  :)

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From: <volinjo_at_juno.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:10:43 -0400
Very Large Snip from Dave Kruger's post:

OTOH, the 
> Pentax
> unit stays under my left knee in the cockpit, and gets out to dance 
> anytime I
> want it.  Result:  Rich has a smaller number of really primo photos
> (especially scenics from dry land or in camp), but after a trip, he 
> always
> comes to me to get "snapshots" of on-the-water stuff.
> 
	Please elaborate on how you keep it under your left knee?  And anyone
else:   Where do you keep your camera when paddling?  I try to have a
clear deck (I can't manage to get rid of my spare paddle, but other than
that, I don't want anything on deck.  I stow my water bottle in a
knee-hole, my pump in an under-deck bungie, paddle-float & sponge behind
my seat.  But I can't figure out what to do with the camera.  I tried
fitting it in the under-deck bungie, but it's not secure there, and I
find it banging around in the cockpit.  I could put it in the day hatch,
but I want it to be immediately accessible if I want to take a picture. 
(Often enough, by the time I get the water spots off it, and bring it up
to my eye, the shot is gone anyway.)

			Joan Volin
 
 
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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:26:54 -0700
volinjo_at_juno.com wrote:
> 
> Very Large Snip from Dave Kruger's post:
> 
> > OTOH, the Pentax unit stays under my left knee in the cockpit, and
> > gets out to dance anytime I
> > want it.

>     Please elaborate on how you keep it under your left knee? 

It sits on the hull, inside the sprayskirt, in the gap between the hull and
the underside of my knee.  I usually have a small bilge sponge under the
inboard edge which keeps the camera from sliding moving.  Mind you, in rough
water, it will get loose and slide around.  So if it looks to be really rough,
I stuff it in a dry bag behind my seat.

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From: <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:40:37 -0700
volinjo_at_juno.com wrote:
> 
> Very Large Snip from Dave Kruger's post:
> 
> OTOH, the
> > Pentax
> > unit stays under my left knee in the cockpit, and gets out to dance
> > anytime I
> > want it.  Result:  Rich has a smaller number of really primo photos
> > (especially scenics from dry land or in camp), but after a trip, he
> > always
> > comes to me to get "snapshots" of on-the-water stuff.
> >
>         Please elaborate on how you keep it under your left knee?  And anyone
> else:   Where do you keep your camera when paddling?  I try to have a
> clear deck (I can't manage to get rid of my spare paddle, but other than
> that, I don't want anything on deck.  I stow my water bottle in a
> knee-hole, my pump in an under-deck bungie, paddle-float & sponge behind
> my seat.  But I can't figure out what to do with the camera.  I tried
> fitting it in the under-deck bungie, but it's not secure there, and I
> find it banging around in the cockpit.  I could put it in the day hatch,
> but I want it to be immediately accessible if I want to take a picture.
> (Often enough, by the time I get the water spots off it, and bring it up
> to my eye, the shot is gone anyway.)
> 
>                         Joan Volin

I hardly ever take photos while paddling.  I did years ago but just
don't bother these days.

However, I can suggest a spot for having a camera handy and out of the
way.  Use a fanny pack with the buckle rolled around to behind you and
the fanny pack against your tummy.  Put it over the sprayskirt and just
under the bottom of your PFD if it is a shortie.  Depending on the size
of your camera and its relative waterproofness/splash resistance you
should be able to come up with a good fanny pack.

For a smallish camera that is reasonably waterproof, Eagle Creek sells a
mesh small fanny pack that weighs next to nothing, I think it is called
the Salamander.  It will fit a small camera.  I use mine for carrying
waterproof binoculars at times.  Other times I use it to give me a
"pocket" for wallet, keys, etc. when paddling in one of my assorted wet
suits combinations, which of course do not have pockets or when using a
dry suit, again no pockets.  The Salamander(if that is its name) has a
flat outside flapped mesh pocket, for clip on sunglasses, lipbalm,
whatever. The zippered main pocket carries my wallet in a ziplock bag
and my keys in a ziplock (don't want any corrosion and the key tips tend
to catch in the mesh otherwise).  It also has a flat "waterproof" pocket
close to your body.  It closes like a zip lock bag.  I basically don't
trust it for its purpose.  Instead I have cut a piece of foam and
inserted it inside the ziplocked section.  This gives me some cushioning
against anything hard in the main pocket and a measure of flotation were
this little fanny pack to come off.  Between the air trapped in that
ziplock pocket and the foam, it should certainly float a wallet and
keys.  I haven't tested it with something as heavy as a small camera or
pair of binoculars.

I prefer this over an ordinary fanny pack because it drains.  I prefer
it to the dedicated waterproof fanny packs that close like dry bags
because it involves none of that roll down motion to close or roll open
to get at things.  If your camera were not waterproof or much splash
resistant, the dry bag closure fanny packs would be worth looking into. 
They are made by Cascade Designs, I think among other manufacturers.

Or just get any ole cheap fanny pack and use it.  Cut a drain hole if
you wish.

Lastly, the jet ski market has several fanny packs for our brethren of
the seas. You can look these over at a West Marine shop or in its
catalog.

BTW, if you ever want to know the temperature of the water, call over a
jet-skier.  Many of their machines have a dial that reads water
temperature.  Also make this a chance to see some of their gear.  As I
mentioned earlier, they have a need for lightweight items that function
well in a marine environment and that are made of materials that won't
scratch up their machines.

What, you won't talk to jet-skiers!!!  I do.  And I wave as we pass each
other.  While some can be obnoxious, most aren't.  They really are
okay...except for their noise in places that are meant to be quiet and
serene.  In busy New York harbor, you can hardly hear them above the
normal din.

ralph diaz
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From: Barbara Kossy <bkossy_at_igc.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:50:06
I keep my waterproof canon on a strap around my neck and tucked into my PFD.
I can grab it, turn it on and take a shot in about 3  or 4 seconds. And
have it back in the jacket and my and on the paddle on the 5th second. 
Barbara

>> 
>	Please elaborate on how you keep it under your left knee?  And anyone
>else:   Where do you keep your camera when paddling?  I try to have a
>clear deck (I can't manage to get rid of my spare paddle, but other than
>that, I don't want anything on deck.  I stow my water bottle in a
>knee-hole, my pump in an under-deck bungie, paddle-float & sponge behind
>my seat.  But I can't figure out what to do with the camera.  I tried
>fitting it in the under-deck bungie, but it's not secure there, and I
>find it banging around in the cockpit.  I could put it in the day hatch,
>but I want it to be immediately accessible if I want to take a picture. 
>(Often enough, by the time I get the water spots off it, and bring it up
>to my eye, the shot is gone anyway.)
>
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From: <Bhansen97_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:46:50 EDT
Joan Volin asks the group:
<<  Where do you keep your camera when paddling?  >>

For paddling, I use the Pentax IQ 105, and I keep it in the front pocket of 
the body tube of my touring sprayskirt. I tie up a short lanyard to fix it to 
one of the loops on the skirt.

Bill Hansen
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From: <volinjo_at_juno.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:34:10 -0400
It is a problem.  I'm sure you've seen the several solution presented,
which I think I will try.  I'm not sure about attaching it to the PFD,
though.  Mine already weighs enough so that I have some doubts about its
ability to actually float.  (You might try a helmet if you want to
roll....)


On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:10:05 -0400 "Reeves, Debbie (Debbie)"
<dreeves_at_lucent.com> writes:
> I have the same dilemma, Joan.  Since I take a lot of photos to 
> publish in
> the newsletter, I have tried many different solutions.  The camera 
> (Minolta
> Weathermatic) must be accessible at all times.  I tried keeping it 
> upside
> down on the deck (to help reduce waterspots) but I was inadvertly 
> always
> hitting it with my hands/paddle.  I used to stuff it in the front of 
> my PFD
> to keep the lens free of waterspots.  However, this can be 
> uncomfortable and
> during winter causing the lens to fog up.  Lately I have been 
> looping the
> camera strap in the armhole of the PFD and tossing it over the back 
> of the
> PFD on the far side of the strobe.  This seems to keep it from 
> sliding
> around when I am leaning and edging.  But . . . if I had to execute 
> a roll
> without first better securing the camera (combat situation), it will 
> hit me
> in the head.  Hopefully if this happens, I will be paddling with 
> other
> Paddlewisers who participated in the unconscious paddler discussions 
> and
> they'll know just what to do.  :-)
> 
> Debbie Reeves (still seeking a better camera storage solution)
> Sandy Hook, NJ
> 
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	volinjo_at_juno.com[SMTP:volinjo_at_juno.com]
> > 
> > And anyone
> > else:   Where do you keep your camera when paddling?  I try to 
> have a
> > clear deck (I can't manage to get rid of my spare paddle, but 
> other than
> > that, I don't want anything on deck.  I stow my water bottle in a
> > knee-hole, my pump in an under-deck bungie, paddle-float & sponge 
> behind
> > my seat.  But I can't figure out what to do with the camera.  I 
> tried
> > fitting it in the under-deck bungie, but it's not secure there, 
> and I
> > find it banging around in the cockpit.  I could put it in the day 
> hatch,
> > but I want it to be immediately accessible if I want to take a 
> picture. 
> > 
> > 
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From: <volinjo_at_juno.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trip Photography
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:27:18 -0400
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:40:37 -0700 rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com writes:
>
The fanny pack suggestion is a good one - you never fail, Ralph.  Thanks.
 Re: your comments about jet-skiers, I've stopped making nasty comments
about them.  Earlier this summer we were on an AKT trip, and one of the
women was having serious chest pains and feeling very unwell.  Although
we had a registered nurse and a physician's assistant with us, it was
obvious that she had to get to the hospital.  We were about 6 miles out
from our put-in at the time.  Anyhow, there were a couple of people on
jetskis just sitting quietly in the middle of the river, enjoying the
scenery.  They both had two-seater jetskis.  The trip leader paddled over
to them, and asked if they could help us, and they were more than happy
to do so.  The long and the short of it was that the patient was put on
the back of one jetski (she was so scared by then that she could hardly
move to get out of her kayak, but he calmed her down, and the transfer
was made), and one of the guides got on the back of the other jetski, and
they took off down the river.  The two kayaks were towed in.  When we got
back to the putin, where there were lessons going on, we were told that
she had been taken to the hospital by ambulance, and they had already
received a call that she wasn't in fact having a heart attack, but rather
severe gastric reflux, and that she was being discharged shortly.  So
after we got changed and got our gear together, we brought the cars - and
kayaks - of both the patient and the guide over to the hospital for a
happy ending.  Moral:  just because someone's on a jetski, don't just
assume that he or she is an obnoxious slob.

Joan

P.S.	You know, we're LONG overdue for that sushi seakayak saunter.  Do
you think it will have to wait until Spring, or can we manage it sooner
than that?
> 
> I hardly ever take photos while paddling.  I did years ago but just
> don't bother these days.
> 
> However, I can suggest a spot for having a camera handy and out of 
> the
> way.  Use a fanny pack with the buckle rolled around to behind you 
> and
> the fanny pack against your tummy.  Put it over the sprayskirt and 
> just
> under the bottom of your PFD if it is a shortie.  Depending on the 
> size
> of your camera and its relative waterproofness/splash resistance you
> should be able to come up with a good fanny pack.
> 
> For a smallish camera that is reasonably waterproof, Eagle Creek 
> sells a
> mesh small fanny pack that weighs next to nothing, I think it is 
> called
> the Salamander.  It will fit a small camera.  I use mine for 
> carrying
> waterproof binoculars at times.  Other times I use it to give me a
> "pocket" for wallet, keys, etc. when paddling in one of my assorted 
> wet
> suits combinations, which of course do not have pockets or when 
> using a
> dry suit, again no pockets.  The Salamander(if that is its name) has 
> a
> flat outside flapped mesh pocket, for clip on sunglasses, lipbalm,
> whatever. The zippered main pocket carries my wallet in a ziplock 
> bag
> and my keys in a ziplock (don't want any corrosion and the key tips 
> tend
> to catch in the mesh otherwise).  It also has a flat "waterproof" 
> pocket
> close to your body.  It closes like a zip lock bag.  I basically 
> don't
> trust it for its purpose.  Instead I have cut a piece of foam and
> inserted it inside the ziplocked section.  This gives me some 
> cushioning
> against anything hard in the main pocket and a measure of flotation 
> were
> this little fanny pack to come off.  Between the air trapped in that
> ziplock pocket and the foam, it should certainly float a wallet and
> keys.  I haven't tested it with something as heavy as a small camera 
> or
> pair of binoculars.
> 
> I prefer this over an ordinary fanny pack because it drains.  I 
> prefer
> it to the dedicated waterproof fanny packs that close like dry bags
> because it involves none of that roll down motion to close or roll 
> open
> to get at things.  If your camera were not waterproof or much splash
> resistant, the dry bag closure fanny packs would be worth looking 
> into. 
> They are made by Cascade Designs, I think among other manufacturers.
> 
> Or just get any ole cheap fanny pack and use it.  Cut a drain hole 
> if
> you wish.
> 
> Lastly, the jet ski market has several fanny packs for our brethren 
> of
> the seas. You can look these over at a West Marine shop or in its
> catalog.
> 
> BTW, if you ever want to know the temperature of the water, call 
> over a
> jet-skier.  Many of their machines have a dial that reads water
> temperature.  Also make this a chance to see some of their gear.  As 
> I
> mentioned earlier, they have a need for lightweight items that 
> function
> well in a marine environment and that are made of materials that 
> won't
> scratch up their machines.
> 
> What, you won't talk to jet-skiers!!!  I do.  And I wave as we pass 
> each
> other.  While some can be obnoxious, most aren't.  They really are
> okay...except for their noise in places that are meant to be quiet 
> and
> serene.  In busy New York harbor, you can hardly hear them above the
> normal din.
> 
> ralph diaz
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