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From: <Bhansen97_at_aol.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] calories
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:00:17 EDT
Another writer mentioned, regarding the heart-rate monitors which are worn 
while exercising, that "Some of the monitors record calories burned during 
excercise..."

These estimates of calorie consumption are the vaguest of guesses, based not 
on direct measurement of energy expended but on average estimated expenditure 
which in turn is derived from other averages.....and so on.

Simple heart-rate monitors are very helpful to record heart rate as such, 
which is what they're really designed for and all they really do with 
accuracy. All the other data are derived from the heart rate. They're fun to 
fool around with and they're nice distractions if you're bored with your 
daily run or treadmill time (or even your daily self-torture on the 
computerized multi-program "bicycling" or machine at the local fitness 
center. But they don't really measure calories, and are often quite 
inaccurate.

Matt Broze correctly points out that  "....you can measure calories burned by 
oxygen uptake ...." It takes a much fancier machine than a hearrt rate 
monitor to measure oxygen uptake directly.

Incidentally, my experience with heart rate and paddling is the same as Tom 
C's: my heart rate won't go up into "the zone" unless I'm paddling *really* 
hard. Those arm muscles, even the back and abdominal muscles, we use for 
paddling just aren't nearly as big as those used for walking or running. 
(Sadly, that's especially true for my personal arm and back muscles.)

Bill Hansen
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From: <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] calories
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:01:49 -0400
|Another writer mentioned, regarding the heart-rate monitors which are worn
|while exercising, that "Some of the monitors record calories burned during
|excercise..."

|These estimates of calorie consumption are the vaguest of guesses, based not
|on direct measurement of energy expended but on average estimated expenditure
|which in turn is derived from other averages.....and so on.

Twas I!  I figured that they were guestimates.  The dreadmill in the gym just
takes my weight and passed on angle of attack of the treadmill and speed comes
up with a
number of calories burned.  Gotta be a guess.

I had a Nordatrac a few years ago.  It had a computer that took into account
your gender, age, weight, etc., to calculate the number of calories burned.  It
also had a little gadget that you wore to detect your heart rate.  When you
heart rate was above a certain level it would beep at you.  One day I forgot to
put on the heart rate detector.  Twas Amazing!  The computer kept on working!
Told me my heartrate and calories burned, etc!

Could it be the heart rate detector did NOTHING?

|Simple heart-rate monitors are very helpful to record heart rate as such,
|which is what they're really designed for and all they really do with
|accuracy. All the other data are derived from the heart rate. They're fun to
|fool around with and they're nice distractions if you're bored with your
|daily run or treadmill time (or even your daily self-torture on the
|computerized multi-program "bicycling" or machine at the local fitness
|center. But they don't really measure calories, and are often quite
|inaccurate.

There is value in the heart rate monitor even the ones that guess on the number
of calories burned.  The monitor does indicate how hard you have work over a
period of time.  Which is really why I wanted to get one. I think you are right
about their accuracy concerning calorie burn.  But as long as its consistent in
its computation of calories burned its still usefull since that is an indication
of how much work one did.  I would hope they are roughly in the ballpark.  I
would hate to be told I burned 1000 calories when I did 250!  8-)  Or maybe its
the other way around that I would not like?  8-)

Thanks for the info....
Dan McCarty


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From: <BijiliE_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] calories
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:47:55 EDT
Dear Friends,

Where does one buy a heart rate monitor, what is the cost, and where can one 
buy them?

BijiliE
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From: Steve Cramer <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] calories
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:40:37 -0400
BijiliE_at_aol.com wrote:
> 
> Where does one buy a heart rate monitor, what is the cost, and where can one
> buy them?
> 
You'll find ads for them in Runner's World Magazine. AMAOF, the August
issue has a comparison test of 10 of them, ranging in price from $49 to
$200+ or so. For $49, it tells you what your heart rate is. For $200+ it
does a lot more, most of which you'll never use.

Casio makes a $39 watch with a window that reads capillary flow and
tells HR. These are wildly unreliable.

I think a HRM should tell your current rate, allow you to set a target
range and beep when you're above/below it, monitor time in/above/below
during your workout, and have 2 countdown timers so you can do
intervals. 

I have used a Cardiosport, which I liked. I had to replace it with a
Polar, which is a pain in the butt to use. Maybe it would be easier if I
spoke Finnish. :)

Steve
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Test Scoring and Reporting Services
University of Georgia
Athens, GA 30602-5593
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From: Larry Koenig <paddlin_at_home.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] calories
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:17:16 -0500
I use with great satisfaction the Speedtech knotmeter.
(http://www.dc.infi.net/~spdtech/index.html
It tells me nothing about my heart rate but gives instantaneous feedback re.
boat rate, avg speed, max speed etc. and is fantastic for fine tuning one's
stroke and for incentive to paddle harder when working out.  I watch the
average speed indicator and try to keep it at or above some personal best
and this gives me good incentive to push it harder than I'd have likely done
otherwise.
Larry Koenig


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From: Joseph Sanford <jcasanford_at_earthlink.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] calories
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:21:17 -0400
If I were to buy another heart monitor, I would get the least expensive 
Polar monitor.  I have one.  You can swim with it.  It is very reliable.
Mine has lasted over two years with only an inexpensive, new battery for the
wrist unit.  It shows only pulse rate and that is all you need, in my
opinion

In addition to the Polar, I also have three other brands of monitors.  I
even have a couple of new ones still in original package which I will sell
for what I paid; $25.  One is a ladies model and looks good.  My wife has
one and likes it.  Joe s
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> Dear Friends,
>
> Where does one buy a heart rate monitor, what is the cost, and where can one
> buy them?
>
> 
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From: <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] calories
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:29:35 -0400
|Where does one buy a heart rate monitor, what is the cost, and where can one
|buy them?

REI has them in their store and their web site.  I was researching these things
in the winter and I think the simplest low end monitors were 75-100 US dollars.
The higher end ones were over $200.

Polar is one of the two brands that I know of.  I would check some web sites to
research features before you purchased.

Polar's web site is....
http://www.polar.fi/

I don't have the name or web site of one of the other manufactuers.  Maybe
someone else knows.

Hope this helps...
Dan McCarty



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From: Larry Bliven <foxhill_at_shore.intercom.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] calories
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:24:53 -0400
hi Larry K,

i also use a speedtech knotmeter and find that it is very useful for seeing
speed into wind and current,
where my senses are usually not very reliable.

a heart rate monitor is useful to see how much effort i'm exerting while
paddling.

i record the heart rate monitor info using a Pulsechek heart rate data
recorder.
it allows me to download  to a PC...
      thus comparisons of workouts and progress (or lack of progress) can be
evaluated.
http://www.shadpoint.com/pulsechek/

cu,
bliven
(no business relationship to Pulsechek)



> I use with great satisfaction the Speedtech knotmeter.
> (http://www.dc.infi.net/~spdtech/index.html
> It tells me nothing about my heart rate but gives instantaneous feedback
re.
> boat rate, avg speed, max speed etc. and is fantastic for fine tuning
one's
> stroke and for incentive to paddle harder when working out.  I watch the
> average speed indicator and try to keep it at or above some personal best
> and this gives me good incentive to push it harder than I'd have likely
done
> otherwise.
> Larry Koenig


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