Rather than the usual drivel I spout, I decided to contribute something that some of you may find useful. Some time ago, Julio and others discussed the use of shock absorbing materials in towing lines as a means of reducing the impact load on the person (or kayak) doing the towing. Julio tried to calculate the forces, but got bogged down by not knowing the formulae to describe the physics of the situation. I wanted to follow up on this, but haven’t had the time until now. The problem is that if a towed kayak is impeded in its motion, the sudden rise in tension in the tow line could injure a paddler if attached to the tower’s waist. Alternatively, the force could damage the kayak if the line is fixed to it. In order to analyse this, I have made a few assumptions 1. We will look at a worst case scenario - a towed kayak comes to a complete stop while the towing kayak continues. 2. All energy is absorbed by a bungie in the tow line, none by the tow line itself, the kayak etc. 3. The bungie is a nice, linear-elastic material The second assumption makes the resulting forces calculated higher that what would occur in reality - this is safe. The third assumption is iffy. The bungie material I tested has some linear behavior, but I know that real rubber is not - I seem to remember that it’s bilinear. I don't know whether the bungies are made with real rubber of synthetic. I’m not sure what the bungie’s real behavior is over a wide range of loads. The kinetic energy in the towing kayak is what must be absorbed and is defined as: 1/2 M V**2 where M = the total mass, V = the velocity and **2 means squared. The energy absorbed by an elastic material is defined as: 1/2 k x**2 where k = spring constant, x = change in length of the spring The force in the elastic material is (Hooke’s law) F = k x or x = F/k Equating the energies: 1/2 M V**2 = 1/2 k x **2 or M V**2 = k x**2 or x**2 = V**2 M/k or x = V sqrt(M/k). Since x = F/k, then V sqrt(M/k) = F/k Therefore F = V sqrt(kM). Substituting weight for mass F = V sqrt( k w/g) where g = acceleration of gravity. Now we just have to figure out what to do about the k and we can figure out the forces and such. The spring constant, k, is the relationship between the force and the change in length of a spring. You have to determine this experimentally for any material. I rigged up a simple test arrangement in my workshop in the basement. I used some ¼ inch bungie cord and hung it from a ceiling via a carabiner and attached weights to the other end to measure the change in length over an eight inch section in the middle of the bungie. By using several different weights and repeating this for single, double and triple strands of bungie and plugging the numbers into a spreadsheet, I determined the elastic constants for each. The results are a little confusing in that two strands of bungie is not exactly twice as stiff as one strand. Due to the degree of stretch and such, I was obliged to use a different weight range to calculate the numbers for each of the single, double and triple configurations. I think that the results are revealing some of the non-linearity of the material. Let us consider a two parallel 1/4 inch bungies. These have a k value of 1.6 pounds per inch. (I regret that, while I am usually more comfortable in metric units, for little physics type stuff like this, I am more familiar with Imperial units - this reflects the change in units that occurred part way through my education.) Let's assume a paddler weighing 175lb, in a kayak that is 55 lbs carrying 70 lbs of gear for a total weight of 300 lb. We’ll also assume a velocity of 3 miles per hour. Plugging the results into our equation (with conversions to get everything in inches, pounds and seconds) 3 mph = 3 (5280 * 12)/3600 = 52.8 inches per second. G = 32.2 ft/sec**2 = 32.2 * 12 = 386.4 in/sec**2 F = 52.8 sqrt[ (1.6 * 300)/ (386.4) ] = 58.8 lb. This sounds good; 58.8 lb is within the range that some folks considered reasonable when it was discussed a while ago. And that’s a worst case. However, this requires the bungie to stretch under this load: X = F/k = 58.8/1.6 = 36.8 inches! Note that this is the _change_ in length. I’ve noticed that the bungies are "comfortable" stretching to twice their length, so this means that the bungie has to start with a free length (exclusive of knots) of around a yard! I’ve seen folks using bungies that are only 8 to ten inches long. They’d probably reach their limit of stretch before fully absorbing the load and then the force would shoot up to a higher level with a bit of a shock. Increasing the stiffness (i.e using three of four strands of bungie or heavier bungie) would decrease the stretch, but would increase the force as well. Note that because of the square root in the equation, doubling the stiffness only increases the force by 41% (sqrt(2)). Anyway, play with your own set of numbers and see what you get. You can assume that three strands of 1/4 inch bungie have a k value of 2.4 and four strands are 3.2. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Michael Daly wrote: > Some time ago, Julio and others discussed the use of shock absorbing > materials in towing lines as a means of reducing the impact load on > the person (or kayak) doing the towing. Julio tried to calculate the > forces, but got bogged down by not knowing the formulae to describe > the physics of the situation. I wanted to follow up on this, but > haven’t had the time until now. > > The problem is that if a towed kayak is impeded in its motion, the > sudden rise in tension in the tow line could injure a paddler if > attached to the tower’s waist. Alternatively, the force could damage > the kayak if the line is fixed to it. In order to analyse this, I have > made a few assumptions > > 1. We will look at a worst case scenario - a towed kayak comes to a > complete stop while the towing kayak continues. > 2. All energy is absorbed by a bungie in the tow line, none by the tow > line itself, the kayak etc. > 3. The bungie is a nice, linear-elastic material [snip of physics leading to the conclusion] > Let's assume a paddler weighing 175lb, in a kayak that is 55 lbs carrying > 70 lbs of gear for a total weight of 300 lb. We’ll also assume a velocity > of 3 miles per hour. Plugging the results into our equation (with conversions > to get everything in inches, pounds and seconds) > > 3 mph = 3 (5280 * 12)/3600 = 52.8 inches per second. > > G = 32.2 ft/sec**2 = 32.2 * 12 = 386.4 in/sec**2 > > F = 52.8 sqrt[ (1.6 * 300)/ (386.4) ] = 58.8 lb. > > This sounds good; 58.8 lb is within the range that some folks considered > reasonable when it was discussed a while ago. And that’s a worst case. > However, this requires the bungie to stretch under this load: > > X = F/k = 58.8/1.6 = 36.8 inches! > > Note that this is the _change_ in length. I’ve noticed that the bungies > are "comfortable" stretching to twice their length, so this means that the > bungie has to start with a free length (exclusive of knots) of around a > yard! I’ve seen folks using bungies that are only 8 to ten inches long. > They’d probably reach their limit of stretch before fully absorbing the > load and then the force would shoot up to a higher level with a bit of > a shock. Wow. Thank you Michael for a nice piece of work. Really appreciate the effort, and the talent, which went into it. My small addendum is that because of the assumption that the towed kayak is stopped dead in its tracks, the figures you got are somewhat high relative to the peak forces generated in a "realistic" case. The upshot is that I think your analysis shows the maximum force the tower will actually experience is a lot less than the 58.8 lbs quoted above. And, of course, this means the 1/4-inch bungie need not be three feet long, though as a safety measure, perhaps this would be a good place to start. Re: doubling or tripling the 1/4 inch bungie: perhaps a single 1/4 inch bungie is safer, in that the peak force will be reached less rapidly (and with more elongation of the bungie), allowing the paddlers to adjust to the sudden jerks. What do you think? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: > > My small addendum is that because of the assumption that the towed kayak is > stopped dead in its tracks, the figures you got are somewhat high relative to > the peak forces generated in a "realistic" case. The upshot is that I think > your analysis shows the maximum force the tower will actually experience is a > lot less than the 58.8 lbs quoted above. > I thought of a worst, worst case - the kayak or tow line being hit by another boat and wrenched backwards. (not as likely) > And, of course, this means the 1/4-inch bungie need not be three feet long, > though as a safety measure, perhaps this would be a good place to start. > > Re: doubling or tripling the 1/4 inch bungie: perhaps a single 1/4 inch > bungie is safer, in that the peak force will be reached less rapidly (and with > more elongation of the bungie), allowing the paddlers to adjust to the sudden > jerks. What do you think? > Hold that thought! I made an error in calculating the k factor and the results aren't quite right (nor as simple) (blush). I think that the net result might be better, but I haven't had time to redo the stuff (spent the day raking leaves, cleaning the rain gutter etc - 13 bags of leaves and the trees are only 1/4 shed their leaves!! 15 trees on our lot) I also intended to follow up with a comment on the meaning of the results. I'll include this with the corrections, hopefully, tomorrow. Mike Mmmm, Amie just handed me a slice pumpkin chiffon pie - I must be in her good books - the leaves, it's the leaves! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Therefore F = V sqrt(kM). > Cool formula! Awesome work! > Substituting weight for mass F = V sqrt( k w/g) where g = acceleration > of gravity. > F = 52.8 sqrt[ (1.6 * 300)/ (386.4) ] = 58.8 lb. Water tends to be horizontal, though. Or are you referring to the case where both boats become airborne and during the trip down one of them gets entagled in a tree? :-D The acceleration is the key factor here. And apparently you used the acceleration of gravity to find your k's. But I digress. The maximum acceleration that the human body can withstand for a very short period of time without suffering injury is 20 g's. So it is precisely the acceleration that we should be concerned about to find out k. Let us use F = M*a and your formula F = V sqrt(kM) then, equating the forces F=F M*a = V sqrt (kM) so a = V * sqrt(k/M) Doing some algebra k = a^2 * M/V given that a < 20 * g for a 70Kg person walking (without a kayak) at about 3 knots, which is about 1.5 m/s we need k < 9.81^2 * 70/1.5 then k < 4491.2 meter^2/second^3 There you have it, k for a spring to prevent injury on a towing paddler. Hey, you guys! wake up! class is over. :-D - Julio *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
juliom_at_cisco.com wrote: > > > Therefore F = V sqrt(kM). > > > Cool formula! Awesome work! > > > Substituting weight for mass F = V sqrt( k w/g) where g = acceleration > > of gravity. > > F = 52.8 sqrt[ (1.6 * 300)/ (386.4) ] = 58.8 lb. > > Water tends to be horizontal, though. Or are you referring to the case where > both boats become airborne and during the trip down one of them > gets entagled in a tree? :-D > > The acceleration is the key factor here. And apparently you used > the acceleration of gravity to find your k's. > The relationship between mass and weight is the same F = Ma, in this case, a is that due to gravity and F is the weight, hence: w = Mg or M = w/g which is what I put into the equations. > But I digress. > > The maximum acceleration that the human body can > withstand for a very short period of time without suffering injury > is 20 g's. [...] Mine is a _static_ analysis without considering the dynamic loading. In the commentary I intend to write RSN, I'll explain the difference and the reason why I haven't done that. I have my dynamics book here, so I may break down to do it anyway. No time tonight though. > k < 4491.2 meter^2/second^3 > > There you have it, k for a spring to prevent injury on a towing paddler. k has to have the units of pounds per inch or newtons per meter. The error I made, for those that want to work it out for themselves is that I measured k for an 8 inch section and didn't normalize it out so that it could be applied to any length of bungie. But that introduces the length of the bungie into the equation where it wasn't before. That complicates things a bit. Tomorrow I get to take Amie out to dinner, so I may have to wait til Wednesday to finish it. Don't worry, I will. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Julio wrote: > The maximum acceleration that the human body can > withstand for a very short period of time without suffering injury > is 20 g's. True, but only when very well supported, e.g. in a fighter plane pressure suit. But here we have a connection that is much worse. If you connect the cable to the boat, then a 20 g stop would katapult you out of your seat onto the foredeck. If you tie the cable to around waist a 20 g stop will try to pull a little section out of your body, with damaging effects on your internal organs and spine. To illustrate the huge acceleration: 20 g acceleration woud stop a car moving at 55 mile/h within 0.13 seconds, or within a distance of 1.6 meter! Another point: All calculations up to now neglect the effect of the rope itself. However, for an elastic kind of rope, the rope itselsf does take a lot of the energy. This is exactly the effect that rock klimbers and mountaineers use. No bugees there, only (specials types of) rope. Just for what it is worth, Greetings, Merijn ****************************** Merijn Wijnen Vinkenhofje 8 5613 CN Eindhoven The Netherlands Tel.: 040-2939991 (job: 040-2650539) Fax: same as tel., call before sending or try twice E-mail: Home: merijn_at_music.demon.nl Job: m.wijnen_at_ind.tno.nl Web-site: http:\\www.music.demon.nl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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