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From: Shawn W. Baker <baker_at_montana.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Conquering Kayakers?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:17:43 -0700
Jody wrote:
>Hi All,
>I recently pondered aloud to a group of sea kayakers that I had noticed a
>personality "type" that is driven and eager to accomplish a certain kind of
>outdoor "feat" such as circumnavigate a large lake, or be the first to
>paddle solo across a wide expanse, paddle 600 miles alone in a short number
>of days, or conquer some other outdoors challenge.  

While I can't explain the motivation people like this have, I do agree
that there are people like that.  My regular hiking partner is one of
them.  He's a highly motivated person, but what he gets out of the hike
is saying he did 25 miles and 8,000 feet in a day, while I say,"I
summitted a small peak, and just sat there for an hour, savoring the
scenery."  I can explain my motivation--spiritual and personal renewal,
but I don't understand the "conquering" motivation.  It would seem that
we're highly incompatible, and for the most part we are, but sometimes
its safer being with a partner you can trust, even if you're
"differently motivated", than if you were alone.

>I wondered about this
>because while I love to kayak (and bike and ski and snowshoe), I don't
>really have a need or desire to do this sort of thing. I'm happy just to
>paddle and while I would love to say circumnavigate Lake Superior, it isn't
>something I feel I need to do -- it doesn't have more appeal than other
>trips I can go on.  So part of my curiosity is -- what is this about? What
>makes people want to paddle to conquer? (I realize it's not just paddling,
>of course.)  The second part of my outloud musing was that it seems to me
>that, more often than not, these folks are men. So I wondered (and this got
>me into a bit of hot water since I'm female) whether there was some gender
>thing going on here (and *I* wasn't the one to use the word testosterone!).

I think there are a few female paddlers who are motivated to conquer,
but by and large, the vast majority of them are men.  I'm sure
"conquering" is not their sole motivator, but I'm sure it's a large
factor in a lot of guys' paddling exploits.  I can't speak personally
for her, but does anyone know what Audrey Sutherland's motivations are
for paddling such long distances?

Sometimes, I feel that small urge to conquer, but it's usually the need
to overcome some challenge within myself--I know I can't beat Ma Nature,
let alone even having a fair fight.  Some guys can play her game (but
not necessarily best her), but I'm not one of them.

Shawn

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From: James Lofton <n5yyx_at_etsc.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Conquering Kayakers?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:00:38 -0800
Shawn W. Baker wrote:
> 
> (SNIP)
> I think there are a few female paddlers who are motivated to conquer,
> but by and large, the vast majority of them are men.  I'm sure
> "conquering" is not their sole motivator, but I'm sure it's a large
> factor in a lot of guys' paddling exploits.  I can't speak personally
> for her, but does anyone know what Audrey Sutherland's motivations are
> for paddling such long distances?

While I don't know her, and wouldn't speak for her even if I did, I will 
offer my personal quess. I think it may be a very simple case of love for 
being out there. An unsatuable sp? appatite for roaming and soaking up 
all that is out there to see. What's wrong with having a child like 
curiosty of "what's over there"?, that drives one on.?

People that head to nature to conquer, must feel empty lots of times. 
People that head to nature to learn and embrace, can only grow richer.

James, doctoring a wasp sting, on a spot I "used" to like sitting.


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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Conquering Kayakers?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:16:09 -0500
At 10:00 AM 11/15/99 -0800, James Lofton wrote:
>Shawn W. Baker wrote:
>> 
>> (SNIP)
>> I think there are a few female paddlers who are motivated to conquer,
>> but by and large, the vast majority of them are men.  I'm sure
>> "conquering" is not their sole motivator, but I'm sure it's a large
>> factor in a lot of guys' paddling exploits.  I can't speak personally
>> for her, but does anyone know what Audrey Sutherland's motivations are
>> for paddling such long distances?
>
>While I don't know her, and wouldn't speak for her even if I did, I will 
>offer my personal quess. I think it may be a very simple case of love for 
>being out there. 

And she's been doing it for 20 years so she must really love it.

>What's wrong with having a child like 
>curiosty of "what's over there"?, that drives one on.?

In this case, that child is 80 years old.  As Chris Duff said, "I want to
be Audrey Sutherland when I grow up."

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