<< At 07:24 AM 12/29/99 EST, Bob Vilter wrote: <<......would like to improve upon my bracing skills, and would also like to learn <<.....how to reenter and roll. Doug Lloyd's (snipped) response: << ....(too busy right now). Perhaps some other posts will come up in the <<......mean time. Until then, be cool, don't paddle like a fool, and think of <<......those Californians in the sun and drool! Anonymous babbling idiot’s reply: Ok, normally I prefer to lurk, but Doug Lloyd's request that I personally respond in his stead was just too moving for me to decline. So, here goes: The most cost-effective way to acquire the skills you seek is to read one or more of the various books available on general seakayaking. Memorize any passages relative to bracing/rolling. Follow the exercises for learning to roll. Yes, I know you asked about re-enter and roll and bracing skills, but stay with me a while longer. Basically, the roll is the Holy Grail of kayaking. Once you have a roll everything else suddenly makes sense. A high brace is just the last part of a roll, namely the hip snap and recovery. It amounts to a 1/4 roll. The reenter and roll is now no more difficult than learning how to reenter the kayak when it is upside down. Arguably this is the most challenging part of a reenter and roll. But with years or practice and dedication it might someday start to feel natural. Of course, once you have a roll, the reenter and roll will be reduced to an exercise to convince the safety nazi's that your not overly-confident. All, and I mean all of the advanced techniques like sculling, balance bracing, surfing, extreme edging, hanging draws, white water kayaking (for tidal race skills), etc are learnt with infinitely greater facility if one has a reliable roll. It is certainly possible to enjoy seakayaking very much without ever learning to roll. But for learning the advanced techniques of seakayaking the Eskimo roll is, for all intents and purposes, a prerequisite. Good luck Bob!. It's a wonderful journey. Jed Things to remember before you start to think about correcting me on the above: Only a fool would argue with an idiot. Only an idiot would have written such an affront. bye ;-) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 07:24 AM 12/29/99 EST, Bob Vilter wrote: >I would like to improve upon my bracing skills, and would also like to learn >how to reenter and roll. > >Your advice on techique for developing and improving these skills would be >greatly appreciated. I'm working on an article for Sea kayaker Magazine on the reenter and roll. I will gladly post some of my thoughts, but it will have to wait for the new year (too busy right now). Perhaps some other posts will come up in the mean time. Until then, be cool, don't paddle like a fool, and think of those Californians in the sun and drool! BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
All - A few weeks ago I located a nice article on the web about reentry and roll, with and without a paddle float. I can't find it just now. I believe the same site had an excellent article on how to do a paddle float self rescue (or recovery, whatever). If anyone knows the web articles in question from these crude descriptions please post the link here. jerry. At 10:13 PM 12/29/1999 -0800, Doug Lloyd wrote: >At 07:24 AM 12/29/99 EST, Bob Vilter wrote: >>I would like to improve upon my bracing skills, and would also like to learn >>how to reenter and roll. >> >>Your advice on techique for developing and improving these skills would be >>greatly appreciated. > >I'm working on an article for Sea kayaker Magazine on the reenter and roll. >I will gladly post some of my thoughts, but it will have to wait for the >new year (too busy right now). Perhaps some other posts will come up in the >mean time. Until then, be cool, don't paddle like a fool, and think of >those Californians in the sun and drool! > >BC'in Ya >Doug Lloyd >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:13 PM 12/29/99 -0800, Doug Lloyd wrote: >At 07:24 AM 12/29/99 EST, Bob Vilter wrote: >>I would like to improve upon my bracing skills, and would also like to learn >>how to reenter and roll. >> >>Your advice on techique for developing and improving these skills would be >>greatly appreciated. > >I'm working on an article for Sea kayaker Magazine on the reenter and roll. >I will gladly post some of my thoughts, but it will have to wait for the >new year (too busy right now). Perhaps some other posts will come up in the >mean time. I'm looking forward to it. In the case of bracing, all I can really think of to suggest is that it's all about blade orientation. That is, the blade should always be *close* to parallel with the water surface. I say close because usually a brace is done one the move and the leading edge of the blade should always be slightly higher than the trailing edge. A little exercise that I've suggested when showing people the importance of blace orientation is to have the paddler lay their paddle out to the side with the blade parallel to the surface and then sweep back and forth in a wide arc just skimming the surface. Angle the leading edge just higher than the trailing edge and you can skim the blade across the surface quickly. Turn the leading edge down in the direction the paddle is moving just slightly and watch the paddle dive. The other exercise that Derek Hutchinson taught me (I first learned to brace in a class I took from him) was to achieve the "depth charge" sound to get a feel of how much resistance the water provides to a flat paddle. Hold the paddle such that the blade over the side where you're going to brace is about 30 degrees back from perpendicular and the non-powerface paralell to the water. Your elbows should be above the paddle shaft as if you're going to do a push up. Push down on the blade into the water until you can get a "depth charge" sound (ker-plush). Once you do that a few time try edging the boat at the same time and you'll begin to get a feel for how much resistance the paddle and water surface provides. Keep practice and after awhile it will become second nature. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob, The best way to improve your bracing skills and to learn how to reenter and rolls is to just do it, meaning just get the water and practice. Since you want to learn how to reenter and roll, I assume you can already roll and brace. Besides reading some instruction on how to brace, all you can do is practice. However, one trick is to use lots of back lean to lower your center of gravity. As for the reenter and roll, you have to have a good roll first. Some steps beyond that is to practice rolling your sea kayak with the sprayskirt off, in other words, swamped. If you have a good sweep roll, rolling a swamped sea kayak really is easy, not as easy as a dry one, but still totally doable. You also need to practice rolling without setting up before tipping over. One good way to practice is too tip over with holding the paddle against the side of the cockpit with only one hand, and then set up and roll. This is the position you will be in after getting in the cockpit for the reenter and roll anyway. Climbing into the cockpit upside down (and a bit sideways) just takes practice with trial and error. With all of the above drills, you should be on your way to doing the reenter and roll. Good luck! Duane Strosaker Roll or drown! <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/pirateseakayaker/index.html">Pirate Sea Kayaker</A> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:34 AM 12/30/99 -0800, Jerry wrote: >A few weeks ago I located a nice article on the web about reentry and roll, with and without a paddle float. I can't find it just now. I believe the same site had an excellent article on how to do a paddle float self rescue (or recovery, whatever). If anyone knows the web articles in question from these crude descriptions please post the link here. Jerry, et al: I think Sea Kayaker Mag has an article 'bout the above, online, on their web page under "previous articles". Only select articles go on the web, but the one on the PF and R&R rescue by Nigel are there for public consumption. Perhaps there was another source you were thinking of, but I don't know of any others. When I do a search under reentries, what comes up on my screen makes be blush! BC'in Ya in the 21st century Doug lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"When I do a search under reentries, what comes up on my screen makes be blush!" ...or the poor guy who called a New Orleanes book store and asked if they carried 'Paddler Magazine'. A stoic silence on the other end of the line and then a matronly voice intoned in icy tones, "I assure you, suh, we are not that type of bookstore." Doug Lloyd wrote: > At 08:34 AM 12/30/99 -0800, Jerry wrote: > >A few weeks ago I located a nice article on the web about reentry and > roll, with and without a paddle float. I can't find it just now. I > believe the same site had an excellent article on how to do a paddle float > self rescue (or recovery, whatever). If anyone knows the web articles in > question from these crude descriptions please post the link here. > > Jerry, et al: > I think Sea Kayaker Mag has an article 'bout the above, online, on their > web page under "previous articles". Only select articles go on the web, but > the one on the PF and R&R rescue by Nigel are there for public consumption. > Perhaps there was another source you were thinking of, but I don't know of > any others. When I do a search under reentries, what comes up on my screen > makes be blush! > > BC'in Ya in the 21st century > Doug lloyd > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
There is a lot of excellent material on rescues and rentry, etc., etc. at the Broze Bros. Mariner site: http://www.marinerkayaks.com/ I go back and read their manuals about every two weeks. I learn something every time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Flory, San Jose, CA. dflory_at_earthlink.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speak softly and study Aikido, then you won't need a big stick. ©1999 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: Dave Flory <daflory_at_pacbell.net> > There is a lot of excellent material on rescues and rentry, etc., etc. at > the Broze Bros. Mariner site: > > http://www.marinerkayaks.com/ > > I go back and read their manuals about every two weeks. I learn something > every time. Agreed! Matt has spent a great deal of time adding valuable info to his site. I second Dave's recommendation on checking it out. A lot more than the above can be found, too. Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:16 AM 12/31/99 -0500, Chris wrote: > ...or the poor guy who called a New Orleanes book store and asked if >they carried 'Paddler Magazine'. A stoic silence on the other end of the >line and then a matronly voice intoned in icy tones, "I assure you, suh, we are >not that type of bookstore." The local sea kayak store in town just came out with a bumper sticker (they gave one to all loyal customers for Christmas) that says "You deserve a good paddling". It has a sea kayak in background of text. I'm gonna stick it right over my old bumper sticker that says, "Angels, don't leave home without them". BTW, did you all catch Dave Kruger's post last week where he used food products to describe the effect of heavenly bodies upon the oceans? I wonder what other kinky food things Dave could get creative with. Let's not go there! Wishing you all a happy, but not too silly, new year! And, a great big hug to our list mom, Jackie, for administering this informative venue called Paddlewise. When she does spank us for real, we usually deserve it. Anyway, to infinity, AND BEYOND... BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>> "When I do a search under reentries, what comes up on my screen makes be blush!" ...or the poor guy who called a New Orleanes book store and asked if they carried 'Paddler Magazine'. A stoic silence on the other end of the line and then a matronly voice intoned in icy tones, "I assure you, suh, we are not that type of bookstore." >> Just try searching the Web for "Paddle Masters" (a Twin Cities coastal kayaking school), and see what you get! Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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