Can't say Mariner huh, so how about Coaster and Express EX. Ursa Micro and probably the fiberglass Sportee too (although I personally haven't tested it in such conditions). If you look at John Lulls "Paddling Ocean Rock Gardens, a Tsunami Rangers Guide" you can see quite a few Coasters in action. I can only remember a few times I was able to get the bow of the Coaster or Express EX under the water while surfing straight down the face and out in front of 6 to 8 foot dumping breakers. Actually the shorter tighter curl on a 4 or 5 foot dumper is more likely to put the bow under. Incidentally on those few occasions when I was able to bury the bow it only went and inch or two under and quickly came back to the surface, continued surfing and didn't ender. I'm sure those like John Lull who have vastly more surfing experience in a Coaster than I has even gotten them to do an ender on occasion to but I have not been able to do so even when I leaned way forward to try and force the bow under. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com original message: >>>Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:28:44 -0800 From: "AlderCreek" <acks_at_teleport.com> Subject: re: [Paddlewise] wet is BAD Matt wrote: <<Why? Because when your bow is trapped under water you lose control of it to the water. The water washing over your cockpit might get inside of even a good fitting spraydeck. I don't want a boat that puts its bow 14" underwater and the cockpit 6" under in following seas even if the increased tendency to broach as a result is well controlled by a skeg or rudder. I would consider that dream a nightmare.>> I guess you were referring to my post on the storm paddling we did at Christmas? I guess one man's dream might be another's nightmare. =:-o) So have you paddled a kayak that does not bury on a steep 6'-8' face when you surf a course straight down the face? Don't say a Mariner cuz I've seen them pearl in surf with the best of them. Even a blunt bow whitewater boat will sub out in these conditions. The conditions I was referring to were a bit more than typical *following seas*. I find that controlling the bow when it is under water is similar to controlling it above water, just more dynamic and different. Steve Scherrer Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/20/00 12:54:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, mkayaks_at_oz.net writes: << Acutely the shorter tighter curl on a 4 or 5 foot dumper is more likely to put the bow under. Incidentally on those few occasions when I was able to bury the bow it only went and inch or two under and quickly came back to the surface, continued surfing and didn't ender. >> Sometimes you just have to be in the worng place at the wrong time. Once sitting outside the surf zone, off Shi Shi beach, I had a wave well up behind me, I started to back paddle but it curled up over me and I pitch-polled. Some people think they pitch-poll or pearl a Mariner when in fact they buried the bow in the sand in shallow water. Its an interesting sight the kayak comes to a screeching stop with the kayak straight in the air. That is an operator error mixed with a little bad luck. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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