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From: <LedJube_at_aol.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Romany Explorer
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 15:47:14 EST
    Has anyone had any experience with the Diolene lay-up for the Explorer?  
Certainly the HD lay-up is well respected for it's strength.  What kind of 
use would be inappropriate for the Diolene version?
    I'm relatively gentle with my boats but I tend to paddle in increasingly 
rougher conditions and I've exceeded the durability of my current Kevlar 
boat.  I like the idea of a lighter boat but I'd rather have a heavier boat 
that will last than a lighter boat that I will have to repair.
    Thanks in advance for your opinions,

Jed  
Learning how to paddle with ice picks in Cow Hampsha
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From: BaysideBob <vaughan_at_jps.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] durability (was Romeny)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:59:52 -0800
I'd also appreciate opinions on this one.  My instinct is "more expensive is
better" but I'm not so sure.  I have about half the money saved up for the
next (unchosen) boat.  I'm getting hammered with overtime at work so the
money difference matters little.  The how long will it last does.  Light
weight is good.  Longer lasting is better (for this boat).  I have a kevlar
boat and a carbon/kevlar boat.  I'm able to baby them both.  The next one I
intend to beat the crap out of and expect it to last a lifetime (I'm
figuring 15-20 years God willing).  What should I be looking for regarding
layup?

Bob

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Subject: [Paddlewise] Romany Explorer


I've exceeded the durability of my current Kevlar
> boat.  I like the idea of a lighter boat but I'd rather have a heavier
boat
> that will last than a lighter boat that I will have to repair.
>     Thanks in advance for your opinions,
>
> Jed



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From: BaysideBob <vaughan_at_jps.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] durability (was Romeny)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:32:29 -0800
Some years ago I visited the place where they built them in Berkeley.  Your
basic glass layup, easily repaired.

> Look at the layups for the Tsunami boats as an example of a boat designed
> to be thrashed in life threatening situations....
>
> kirk
> (via direct email)
>


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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_home.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] durability (was Romeny)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:54:43 -0500
BaysideBob wrote:

> I'd also appreciate opinions on this one.  My instinct is "more expensive is
> better" but I'm not so sure.  I have about half the money saved up for the
> next (unchosen) boat.  I'm getting hammered with overtime at work so the
> money difference matters little.  The how long will it last does.  Light
> weight is good.  Longer lasting is better (for this boat).  I have a kevlar
> boat and a carbon/kevlar boat.  I'm able to baby them both.  The next one I
> intend to beat the crap out of and expect it to last a lifetime (I'm
> figuring 15-20 years God willing).  What should I be looking for regarding
> layup?

My only comment is that heavy isn't necessarily stronger.  If the builder
doesn't use vacuum bagging, they may have more epoxy in the boat than
they need without a significant increase in strength.

Some manufacturers offer expedition versions of their kayaks.  Current
Designs, as one example, will lay up a kevlar version of a hull that weighs
about the same as a fiberglass version.  They've added extra kevlar for
strength and that's where the weight comes from.  Note that the deck isn't
made stronger - only the hull.

Mike

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