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From: <LedJube_at_aol.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Kayak storage ideas
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:21:36 EST
In a message dated 1/3/00 9:22:38 PM, joebr_at_burton.com writes:

<< One more reason to buy a folding kayak I suppose...... >>

I can hear Ralph Diaz chuckling from here.  ROTFL

Jed
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From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Kayak storage ideas
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:12:09 -0500
Thanks to everyone who have sent replies to me already.  I have to clarify
one thing: I need to store them outside of the barn not on the inside.  :(

I'm not looking for anything fancy (nor attractive) by any means.  At this
point I'm thinking a 2X4 rack with some sort of covering.

Thanks again for your help.


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brzoza 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 2:04 PM
To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
Subject: Kayak storage ideas


I'm in need of some kayak storage ideas.  I'm moving in 2 weeks to an
apartment without a garage so my 2 sea kayaks will be homeless. 

The landlord told me he had perfect spot for them in his barn and I was
psyched and said I'd take the place.  So I went over to see it yesterday and
this perfect spot is 14 feet off the ground - I have no idea what he was
thinking.

The only ideas I have so far are either to hang them off the back of the
barn with web strapping and cover them with a tarp, or to build some sort of
small kayak shed with a tin cover (like 5'tall X 3' wide X 18' long).  I'm
hesitant to hang them off the barn as it looks rather exposed and I'm afraid
they'd get too hot on sunny days (they're plastic) and end up looking like
bananas.

There's no way they can fit inside the apartment.

Any ideas?  I'm desperate.
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From: <LedJube_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak storage ideas
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:31:58 EST
<< I'm in need of some kayak storage ideas.  I'm moving in 2 weeks to an

apartment without a garage so my 2 sea kayaks will be homeless. >>

Sounds like a real challenge Joe...OK - here goes

If you landlord has a 16' ladder - go ahead and hang the boats from the 
beam/girts in the barn.  Or if he has two ladders just put the boats on top 
of the beams if they are close enough.  I used both of these methods with my 
boats.  It's easy enough to set up a pulley system so you can get them down 
w/o the ladder or a helper.

Are you sure the boat won't fit inside?? through a window??  I've seen them 
hung on the wall like avante garde sculpture before.

You could hang them from the wall somewhere inside the barn.  Temps are 
pretty moderate or at least change slowly.  If you must build a little rack 
see if you can attach it to the barn on the North side of the barn so there 
will be minimal sun.  If there's no sun then it's OK to seal the shed up 
tight, but If there is sun you need to provide ventilation so the boats don't 
melt.

No room in the basement?  Crawlspace?  The only requirements are dry, dark 
and nothing to attract vermin.  

If you must hang them off the back of the barn, wrap them in something that 
will insulate them before you put on the tarp.  Newspaper is OK if you can 
keep things really dry but cardboard (corrugated) is much better.

Good luck
Jed


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From: Leander Branham <Leander_at_worldnet.att.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak storage ideas
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 04:54:08 -0500
< I'm in need of some kayak storage ideas.  I'm moving in 2 weeks to an
>  apartment without a garage so my 2 sea kayaks will be homeless.
>

That's very sad. Our two kayaks are in the closet.  :-b

Sorry about that...just finished four nights of 12-13 hour shifts, and
couldn't resist gloating. Of course, I'm not all *that* sorry...  ;-)

Hope everyone is enjoying this exceptionally warm, springlike winter we're
having.

Regards,
Leander
leander_at_worldnet.att.net

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From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Kayak storage ideas
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:06:27 -0500
>Is it possible to hang them from that spot 14 feet up and raise and
>lower them on pulleys?  

The spot that the landlord was thinking of is basically the hay loft in the
barn, but accessible from the side rather than the end.  So not only is the
lifting a problem, getting them in and out on a regular basis would be a
chore.

>Instead of building an elaborate shed, you could get away with creating
>a lean-to of canvas the length of the boats.  You could place the boats
>on cradles alongside the barn and then nail a horizontal batten of wood
>to the side of the barn to hold the long side of a piece of canvas that
>is 6 feet by 20 feet.  


That might just work.  

One more reason to buy a folding kayak I suppose......
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From: Bob Volin <bobvolin_at_bestweb.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak storage ideas
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:17:02 -0500
Joe, how about mounting the kayaks up there on a pulley system?  All it
would take is a couple of strong angle braces (such as the type used for
some air conditioners) mounted well into the wall supports, a set of
pulleys, some hooks, some webbing, one or two cleats mounted into the wall
studs at waist level, and of course some good rope.
  There were a few PW posts on pulley systems  a couple of months ago.

    Bob Volin

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com>
>The landlord told me he had perfect spot for them in his barn
<snip>this perfect spot is 14 feet off the ground


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From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Kayak storage ideas
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:22:34 -0500
> http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR/kayak/

>My canvas slings are about 80"long and 24" wide to give some beam
>clearance as I used a door frame for the base.  It would be relatively
>simple to extend the poles up, span rope as an x pattern between the
>posts, and drop one of those huge tarps from harbor freight over top.

Now there's an idea!  Maybe I'll add some larger diameter wheels in order to
roll over uneven ground.

What kind of place carries bulk canvas or heavy fishnet material?
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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak storage ideas
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:21:41 -0500
Joe Brzoza wrote:
> 
> > http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR/kayak/
> 
> >My canvas slings are about 80"long and 24" wide to give some beam
> >clearance as I used a door frame for the base.  It would be relatively
> >simple to extend the poles up, span rope as an x pattern between the
> >posts, and drop one of those huge tarps from harbor freight over top.
> 
> Now there's an idea!  Maybe I'll add some larger diameter wheels in order to
> roll over uneven ground.
> 
> What kind of place carries bulk canvas or heavy fishnet material?

bicycle wheels may be a good alternative.  I have trashpicked a few
bikes for restoration that would fufill that need.
I got my canvas from Utrecht, an art supply store here in the NE US. 
Don't know if this is the cheapest place, but I had a lot of it from
mural projects.  If you find large sized fishnet, let me know as I have
some projects in mind with that.

regards, gabriel
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