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From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:53:17 -0500
I've been reading "Deep Trouble" while being home sick and I got myself all
worried that I need a weather radio so I don't have any storms sneaking up
on me on paddling trips.  And wouldn't you know it, Radio Shack happens to
have them on sale on their website (not in stores).  Was $39.99 Now $19.99
plus $3.00 shipping (plus tax - darn it).  

Here are the details if you're interested:
Receives NWS Broadcasts. Take this handy pocket radio with you on a trip, or
when you are boating. You will receive weather alerts from the National
Weather Service on one of seven pre-programmed channels. If there is a
warning, your radio will sound an alert, and you can listen to the alert
broadcast on the channel that provides you with the best reception. Thanks
to special battery-saving circuitry, the unit will run for a long time
between battery changes. The lightweight, compact design and rugged
construction means that you can carry your Portable Weather Radio with you
every-where, to be sure not to miss any weather warnings or alerts. Requires
three "AA" batteries  (not included). 

I'm sure it's not waterproof and all that but it'll be good around the
campsite / house or in one of those cell phone dry bags.
Go to www.radioshack.com and click on the web specials link and it's listed
on the next page.

I just ordered it so I can speak on it's performance.

Joe - not affiliated in any way with Radio Shack.

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From: Seng, Dave <DSeng_at_health.state.ak.us>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:35:14 -0900
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Brzoza [mailto:joebr_at_burton.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:53 PM

> I've been reading "Deep Trouble" while being home sick and I 
> got myself all
> worried that I need a weather radio so I don't have any 
> storms sneaking up
> on me on paddling trips.  And wouldn't you know it, Radio 
> Shack happens to
> have them on sale on their website (not in stores).  Was 
> $39.99 Now $19.99
> plus $3.00 shipping (plus tax - darn it).  
> 

  While $23 is a decent price for a weather radio, have you considered just
biting the bullet and paying for a hand-held VHF?  That way you get access
to weather info plus you have the added safety factor that a radio can offer
in an emergency....
  I don't know where you paddle, so perhaps there's no need or benefit from
having a VHF.
  "Deep Trouble" is a great read -it's definitely on my "Recommended Sea
Kayaking books" reading list.

Dave Seng
Juneau, Alaska
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From: Jeff <jwoodall_at_pa.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:54:52 -0800
I also have a Radio Shack weather radio of similar price/description and
found two limitations with it; 1) it only picks up three NOAA stations and
2) its range is somewhat limited.   Not much can be done about 1) but I
suppose 2) might be addressed with clipping on some sort of secondary
"antenna" - maybe a couple feet of antenna wire or ??  I seem to recall a
thread discussing "range improvers" for VHF radios a while back.

Jeff

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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:03:58 -0500
>I also have a Radio Shack weather radio of similar price/description and
>found two limitations with it; 1) it only picks up three NOAA stations and
>2) its range is somewhat limited.   Not much can be done about 1)

    Nor should there be.  There ARE only three frequencies that NOAA
broadcasts on.  SInce it's mostly regional info, range is also short --
they're low powered.  So no matter where you are, at least one of those
three should have a station on it, and you don't have to carry a listing of
what station is where.
I wouldn't mind more sensitivity in the receiver, though....

        What would also improve the situation would be for NOAA to go back
to using humans to make the announcements.  That synthesized voice is very
primitive, technically, and often unintelligible.

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From: Rob Cookson <rob_cookson_at_mindspring.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:06:40 -0800
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Joe Pylka
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 1:04 PM
> To: Jeff; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
> I wouldn't mind more sensitivity in the receiver, though....
>
>         What would also improve the situation would be for NOAA to go back
> to using humans to make the announcements.  That synthesized voice is very
> primitive, technically, and often unintelligible.
>

I miss that human voice too.  It used to give me hope that _maybe_ there was
someone there who could actually look out the window to confirm the local
forecast.

--
Rob Cookson

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin

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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:15:25 -0800
Rob Cookson wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Joe Pylka
> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 1:04 PM
> > To: Jeff; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
> > I wouldn't mind more sensitivity in the receiver, though....
> >
> >         What would also improve the situation would be for NOAA to go back
> > to using humans to make the announcements.  That synthesized voice is very
> > primitive, technically, and often unintelligible.
> >
> 
> I miss that human voice too.  It used to give me hope that _maybe_ there was
> someone there who could actually look out the window to confirm the local
> forecast.

I missed the regionalisms.  They must have moved those weather people
around a lot.  It was funny to hear the forecast for NYC coming through
Southern lips which just didn't fit into the locale and mispronounced 
locale names.  Also the heavy New Yorkese accents were fun to hear. 
None of them were professional speakers and sounded very human because
of this.

ralph
> 
> --
> Rob Cookson
> 
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin
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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:23:23 -0800
Joe Pylka wrote:
> 
> >I also have a Radio Shack weather radio of similar price/description and
> >found two limitations with it; 1) it only picks up three NOAA stations and
> >2) its range is somewhat limited.   Not much can be done about 1)
> 
>     Nor should there be.  There ARE only three frequencies that NOAA
> broadcasts on.  SInce it's mostly regional info, range is also short --
> they're low powered.  So no matter where you are, at least one of those
> three should have a station on it, and you don't have to carry a listing of
> what station is where.
> I wouldn't mind more sensitivity in the receiver, though....

Some of the Canadian weather info is on other freqs in the WX part of the VHF
band.  These other freqs are available on almost any VHF sold in this country,
IIRC.  Another reason to buy the VHF in lieu of the weather radio -- it may not
have the staion you need in Canada.  The VHF will, and with (most likely) a
much more sensitive (and selective?) receiver.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
sea kayaker
chemist
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From: Alice J Bennett <ajbjd_at_email.msn.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:42:20 -0800
I also had a Radio Shack weather radio - their most expensive (39.95?).  The
volume is way too low and it is almost impossible to hear while on the water
if there is any wind or sound at all.  It is even difficult to hear in the
car if a window is open.

Alice
-----------------------------------------------------
major snip -
> >I also have a Radio Shack weather radio of similar price/description and
> >found two limitations with it; 1) it only picks up three NOAA stations
and
> >2) its range is somewhat limited.   Not much can be done about 1)




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From: Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) <"Reeves,>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:35:21 -0500
	From Joe Pylka:
> >
> >         What would also improve the situation would be for NOAA to go
> back
> > to using humans to make the announcements.  That synthesized voice is
> very
> > primitive, technically, and often unintelligible.
> >
> 
>From Rob Cookson:

> I miss that human voice too.  It used to give me hope that _maybe_ there
> was
> someone there who could actually look out the window to confirm the local
> forecast.
> 
> 
I fondly recall past trips up off the Maine coast, waiting out a gale force
storm on the islands.  There was nothing more comforting than the guys
broadcasting as "The voice of NOAA weather radio".  If this change was due
to cost-cutting, I would happily contribute to a salary fund to get the guys
(& gals) back.  Does anyone know why the change was made?

Debbie Reeves
Sandy Hook, NJ
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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:08:47 -0800
Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) wrote:

> I fondly recall past trips up off the Maine coast, waiting out a gale force
> storm on the islands.  There was nothing more comforting than the guys
> broadcasting as "The voice of NOAA weather radio".  If this change was due
> to cost-cutting, I would happily contribute to a salary fund to get the guys
> (& gals) back.  Does anyone know why the change was made?

I too have been at solo paddle campsites where the only human voices,
other than me talking to myself, were those weather people on the
radio.  I don't think that the change was made to cut costs.  The voices
were just those of people at the weather office.  None were professional
speakers and that is what made it so pleasing to hear them.  I suppose
the reasoning was that the synthetic voice is easier to understand since
it is so consistent.

ralph
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:24:09 -0500
>I fondly recall past trips up off the Maine coast, waiting out a gale force
>storm on the islands.  There was nothing more comforting than the guys
>broadcasting as "The voice of NOAA weather radio".  If this change was due
>to cost-cutting, I would happily contribute to a salary fund to get the
guys
>(& gals) back.  Does anyone know why the change was made?
>Debbie Reeves
>
        Probably not cost cutting, since presumably the same meteorologists
are still there....  IIRC, it took away from their forecasting duties to
make the recordings every 1/2 hour or so.  I miss some of the voices, too.
There was one out of NYC who would slip in unexpected comments now and then.
It Was a more human thing.

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From: <wanewman_at_uswest.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weather Radios on Sale
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:29:21 -0600
We just did a tour fo the National Weather Service office in Channhassen
Minnesota.  The reason they switched to "Egor" as they fondly call the
mechanical voice was the time issure not the money issue.  It mostly comes in to
play for Tornado and other severe weather where they want to send out an
identical message or similar message to several counties etc.  Having to voice
record half a dozen or more seperate recordings when a Tornado is bearing down
on your listeners is too time consuming.  The good news is that within the next
year or two they will go to a more sophisticated word and phrase based voice
system that will sound similar to the automated phone operators that we hear
when we call for information.  I guess when they retire Egor he can go on to do
voice dubbing for Terminator III.

Joe Pylka wrote:

> >I fondly recall past trips up off the Maine coast, waiting out a gale force
> >storm on the islands.  There was nothing more comforting than the guys
> >broadcasting as "The voice of NOAA weather radio".  If this change was due
> >to cost-cutting, I would happily contribute to a salary fund to get the
> guys
> >(& gals) back.  Does anyone know why the change was made?
> >Debbie Reeves
> >
>         Probably not cost cutting, since presumably the same meteorologists
> are still there....  IIRC, it took away from their forecasting duties to
> make the recordings every 1/2 hour or so.  I miss some of the voices, too.
> There was one out of NYC who would slip in unexpected comments now and then.
> It Was a more human thing.
>
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