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From: <F.SOETHE_at_oln.comlink.apc.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Flares on Planes (was BYO)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 05:57:33 +0000
> Ralf Diaz wrote:

> I also recommend that you bring your own emergency kit, sans 
> flares of course since you can't fly with them.

Hi Ralf,

We have just come back from 4 weeks paddling in the Caribbean 
(Islands of St.Lucia and Dominica) and found that it is no problem 
to take emergency flares on international flights. 

They won't let you take them in your hand luggage, but let us pack 
them in our checked luggage without problems. (I know that the 
conditions on the back of every ticket say something else, but 
this is what we found). 

And while we are at it: They would not let us take the CO2 for our 
life jackets anywhere, we had to leave them behind.

Btw. we were flying Deutsche Lufthansa's charter-carrier Condor.

Ferdinand
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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Flares on Planes (was BYO)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:30:13 -0800
F.SOETHE_at_oln.comlink.apc.org wrote:
> 
> > Ralf Diaz wrote:
> 
> > I also recommend that you bring your own emergency kit, sans
> > flares of course since you can't fly with them.
> 
> Hi Ralf,
> 
> We have just come back from 4 weeks paddling in the Caribbean
> (Islands of St.Lucia and Dominica) and found that it is no problem
> to take emergency flares on international flights.

Out of curiosity, what kind of kayaks were you using and how did you get
them there if they weren't foldables or inflatables?

Also I agree with what others indicated about the BYO on flares.  It
really is against the law no matter what the attendants may have said. 
Their laxity is worrisome.

ralph
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From: <F.SOETHE_at_oln.comlink.apc.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Flares on Planes (was BYO)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 17:05:14 +0000
Zur Nachricht vom 5. Mär 00 1:30

Ralph

> > We have just come back from 4 weeks paddling in the Caribbean
> > (Islands of St.Lucia and Dominica) and found that it is no problem
> > to take emergency flares on international flights.
> 
> Out of curiosity, what kind of kayaks were you using and how did you get
> them there if they weren't foldables or inflatables?

We took our Nautiraid Grand Raid folding double along with us on the plane. And 
I'm glad we did because all throughout our trip we didn't come across one kajak 
that we could have used instead. Mostly just plastic sit-on-tops although we met 
one Britisch guy who actually used one to do several Islands with it.

> 
> Also I agree with what others indicated about the BYO on flares.  It
> really is against the law no matter what the attendants may have said.
> Their laxity is worrisome.

Thanks to all your detailed responses I'm beginning to understand that I 
probably shouldn't rely on crew to determine what is save and what isn't on a 
plane. I certainly didn't realize that conditions in our hand luggage could 
trigger our flares.

Since I'm also one of the Trangia Stove users, is there agreement that taking an 
alkohol stove is save? And what about the fuel. Is there a save way to take it 
with us on the plane?

This list is really a must for all new kajakers ....

Regards,
Ferdinand

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