In a message dated 03/03/2000 4:44:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Outfit3029_at_aol.com writes: << I know an individual that was flying to Europe for a cycling trip. They purchased a new MSR Whisperlite stove for the occasion. The airlines ticket clerk would not allow the stove aboard the plane, as I mentioned, it was brand new. My guess would be that the clerk got a new stove out of the deal. Can't they invent a "blower" machine that will get rid of any possible residual fuel? What's the point of buying an all-fuel stove if you can't get it out of the country in the first place? Also, what about traveling to different countries during the same trip? Disposable stoves??? Apart from the expense, that would mean that you would have to find and buy a new stove every time and every place you go to. This is the United States for chrissakes! Can't they solve this problem? When I took my little Peak 1 (?) screw-on stove to Oregon (checked-in luggage), I had a hard time finding the little propane/butane canisters. The KOA only sold the Coleman propane canister. No tea, no soup, no nuttin'. I then had to drive into Portland the next day to find some. I have since gotten the Trangia alcohol stove already mentioned and a folding wood-burning stove (boils one pint of water in 25 minutes??? :) from The Sportsman's Guide. I reckoned that with the twigs and leaves I could at least warm up some ravioli. Sandy Kramer who says a prayer every time her plane flies in over the Everglades. I work in the Media Relations Bureau of the Miami-Dade Police Department, and our office was heavily involved in handling all the media requests for information on the ValuJet crash. As the Staff Writer, I then wrote the commendations and thank you letters. Our office later was awarded a state prize for " handling media relations during a crisis." HOW ABOUT SWISS ARMY KNIVES and the like in your carry-on luggage? I have the teeny Classic, but the bigger Traveler is the one I really need to take (it has a corkscrew). When I take camping gear I usually check it in, but for shorter trips I just have one carry-on. Someone told me that he puts his knife in the basket as he goes through the "X-ray" machine. Comments? Sandy Kramer Return-Path: <owner-paddlewise_at_ns1.intelenet.net> Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 16:44:45 -0500 Received: from ns1.intelenet.net (ns1.intelenet.net [207.38.45.9]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 16:44:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom_at_localhost) by ns1.intelenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27338 Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.intelenet.net (ns.intelenet.net [204.182.160.1]) by ns1.intelenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27332 Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: Outfit3029_at_aol.com Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by ns.intelenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12305 for <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from Outfit3029_at_aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id d.d2.15754ae (4423); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:27:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <d2.15754ae.25f1883a_at_aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:27:22 EST Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Flares In A Cargo Hold Can Result in a Catastrophy To: cakayak_at_mindspring.com, 71145.677_at_compuserve.com, paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 43 Sender: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Precedence: list X-Listname: Paddlewise Mailing List X-Subscription-Info: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net In a message dated 3/3/00 8:44:08 PM !!!First Boot!!!, cakayak_at_mindspring.com writes: << Federal Express and UPS have both been fined for accepting "Hazardous Material" for air shipment that were not labeled properly and should have been sent ground. >> I was an UPS driver and I have been chewed out by customers for not accepting air packages that were shipped in boxes that were marked as hazardous materials. Even if the box is brand new but has been preprinted with a hazardous material label it is not allowed on aircraft. I know an individual that was flying to Europe for a cycling trip. They purchased a new MSR Whisperlite stove for the occasion. The airlines ticket clerk would not allow the stove aboard the plane, as I mentioned, it was brand new. My guess would be that the clerk got a new stove out of the deal. 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>snip I put my Swiss Army Knife in the basket on all flights. -Never- had a problem even in Chicago or L.A.. Funny 'cause they freaked out over my 2 meter ham transceiver's jpole antenna. And my steel toe shoes set off the beeper every time. snip >HOW ABOUT SWISS ARMY KNIVES and the like in your carry-on luggage? I have >the teeny Classic, but the bigger Traveler is the one I really need to take >(it has a corkscrew). > >When I take camping gear I usually check it in, but for shorter trips I just >have one carry-on. Someone told me that he puts his knife in the basket as >he goes through the "X-ray" machine. Comments? > >Sandy Kramer > Gary Pewitt N9ZSV/KT gpewitt_at_execpc.com 6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt. 204, Milwaukee, WI 53223 414 355 8147 home 414 297 4307 work Sturgeon's Law "Ninety percent of everything is crap." *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>When I take camping gear I usually check it in, but for shorter trips I >just >have one carry-on. Someone told me that he puts his knife in the basket as >he goes through the "X-ray" machine. Comments? > > I have had no problem carrying swiss army knives on planes in my carry on, but I was on a plane in Japan coming back from a camping trip and the check-in agent confiscated a butter knife we had forgotten to remove from our carry-on luggage. I guess they had a rule about straight knives longer than a certain length (I think it was JAL Airlines). They were definitely sticklers for rules, because I'm sure our peanut butter encrusted butter knife was not usual terrorist fare:) I'm glad the stove question has come up-I've been trying to figure out how to get around it--so far I've been lucky to meet up stove owners at my destination...but I really like my stove and would like to be able to use it other places as well... -Allison *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My 4" (folded) nasty looking serrated SOG knife which I keep leashed to the vest, went over to Japan and came back without a hitch [ANA - All Nippon Airways, Spring '98]. The knife and vest were tucked away in the Feathercraft backpack close enough to the surface for visible inspection but as check in luggage. I personally watched the knife show up _brightly_ as it went through the check in baggage X-ray machine at Dulles airport (N. Va.). Plus, I've taken my Spyderco Ladybug pocket knife to Japan about 6~8 times with no problem - just toss it in the Security check basket along with keys, change, and ferrous metal belt buckle. Kind of beside the point, but definitely worth mentioning: 1) Knowing the sticklers ANA were about flammables ahead of time, I didn't bother trying to take a camp stove and arranged to borrow my father in-law's over there. 2) With Japan having sooo many regulations regarding VHFs and absolutely no classification for kayaks to fill out the necessary paperwork as a "sm. boater" (or whatever it was), I decided to leave my brand new Apelco 520 at home rather than risk its confiscation (even though Doug Simpson of F-craft had taken his to S. Japan several times). Upon arrival at Narita Internat. Airport, Japan (still somewhat fortified with a para-military police force presence at that time), I hoisted two bags, one suitcase, and the F-craft backpack up onto the customs inspection table. The suitcase was opened and checked through as was our carry on bag. The ~80 lb. gear crammed black backpack? Wasn't even unzipped, unceremoniously "ok-ed" with a nod after told what it was - a kayak boat in a backpack. Though things could have gone differently, I still have major regrets about not having taken that VHF along. 3) Not wanting to have my all graphite paddle busted by the baggage handlers, I tried every trick in the book to have the paddle accepted as carry on baggage. I don't know about other airlines, but ANA considers a broken down two piece paddle to be a deadly weapon and is quite adamant to its storage above deck. It took about two hours of pleading and a (false) threat to not go to convince one of the check in workers to have a last minute talk with the plane's captain to make an exception. The paddle was stored in a vertical locker up by the cockpit and was brought to me after everyone had departed the plane on arrival in Japan. Coming back was easier. A quick lie about it being a custom paddle being used for teaching/racing and a bulkhead seat to get one of the few long overhead storage compartments and it came home intact. If I had the chance to do it over again, I wouldn't bother trying to pass the paddle as carry on luggage. I'd either just go with an all glass "basher" paddler (and suffer throughout the trip) or construct a hardened molded end cap to go over both blades sandwiched together, with duel density foam out past the edges (all the way around) holding the blades apart. A plastic and foam end cap to go over the connecting ends with two wooden dowels holding the end caps apart. The whole package would then be bubblewrapped twice and taped up with clear plastic packing tape, then declared a separate piece of check in luggage. E-mail me, if interested, to find out how I packed the paddles both ways on the trip, also creative and no less elaborate. Allison Corning wrote: > > >When I take camping gear I usually check it in, but for shorter trips I > >just > >have one carry-on. Someone told me that he puts his knife in the basket as > >he goes through the "X-ray" machine. Comments? > > > > > > I have had no problem carrying swiss army knives on planes in my carry on, > but I was on a plane in Japan coming back from a camping trip and the > check-in agent confiscated a butter knife we had forgotten to remove from > our carry-on luggage. I guess they had a rule about straight knives longer > than a certain length (I think it was JAL Airlines). They were definitely > sticklers for rules, because I'm sure our peanut butter encrusted butter > knife was not usual terrorist fare:) > > I'm glad the stove question has come up-I've been trying to figure out how > to get around it--so far I've been lucky to meet up stove owners at my > destination...but I really like my stove and would like to be able to use it > other places as well... > > -Allison > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gypsykayak_at_aol.com wrote: > I have since gotten the Trangia alcohol stove already mentioned and a folding > wood-burning stove (boils one pint of water in 25 minutes??? :) from The > Sportsman's Guide. I reckoned that with the twigs and leaves I could at > least warm up some ravioli. I reviewed a wood burning stove from Israel. It weighs a little over a pound and will burn anything. I think Cabela now sells it if I recall from a recent catalog. It claimed to bring 3 cups of water (24 oz.) to a boil in 10 minutes. Depending on the wood I used I could get better times. Nice dry kindling brought 3 cups to a boil in 5 minutes or so. Wetters, scrappy twigs took long. I have not really used it camping just in testing. I felt it would be a good backup. Like any wood burning fire, it will blacken your pots, but if you store them in a ditty bag it should not get soot over everything. My reason for testing it was that at one point I was regularly camping with a woman who had something similar that she had gotten in the Adirondacks and she was able to boil a large sierra cup of water using the smallest of twigs that were lying around. Neither hers nor mine were the Sierra model that has a small battery operated fan. ralph - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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