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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wood burning Stove (was Carrying Stoves)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:26:12 -0800
I have been asked back channel and on Paddlewise about the wood burning
stove I mentioned that is made in Israel.

I got mine from Gander Mtn. but I don't have their catalog any more and
I heard it had been dropped.  I see in Cabela's latest catalog that they
have it now.  Called the Pocket Cooker.  Item CA-51-2000, $17.95. 
1-800-237-4444.  Website is http://www.cabelas.com but I have not
checked if the item is listed there.

FYI, here is the review of the stove from Folding Kayaker Nov/Dec 1994.

BEGIN REVIEW---------
Wood Burning Camping Stove
	I first saw something like this on a weekend camping paddling trip with
a local club.  One individual had this small pyramid shaped steel stove
that collapsed down to a small bag (hmm, shades of a folding kayak).  It
was fueled with small twigs and any other handy combustible material. 
She had found hers in a small shop in upper New York’s Adirondack
Mountains.
	I thought it was just ideal, particularly as a back-up stove to your
regular butane or gas backpacking stove.  Hers had seen use for several
seasons.  Some of the metal fittings had been mishapen by numerous
fires, and some pieces had pretty much burned away.  I tried finding one
in every camping catalog and shop I could find.  No luck.  Now, I’ve
discovered a different version that strikes me a lot more practical and
useful than hers.
	It’s sold by Gander Mountain of Wisconsin through its camping catalog
as the Pocket Cooker.  It is made in Israel and goes for $15.99 as item
order number 499-M-0850 (Gander Mountain phone: for Canada and the US,
800-558-9410; international orders, 414-862-3516; address: Box 248,
Highway W, Wilmot, WI 53192).
	It weighs just a little over a pound and fits into a tough cordura
nylon case that is included.  It has several advantages.  First, unlike
the one my friend had, the Pocket Cooker can be fed through a side door
that also acts as control of sorts for the amount of air getting  to the
fire; it can be kept fully closed (if no wood is sticking out; or
propped open at various settings).  Hers fed only from the top, limiting
the lengths of twigs and kindling you could use since these would get in
the way of the pot. She could only use a small sierra cup to heat
water.  With the Pocket Cooker you can feed longish pieces of  wood
through the side and push the pieces further in as their flamed ends
burn up.  And, you have little limit in pot size.
	This is no toy or gimmick.  The stated time to boil water is 3 cups of
water in 10 minutes, but that clearly depends on the wood and the amount
you use.  I was able to bring that amount to an overboil in just 5
minutes using kindling shavings.  So you can extrapolate boiling time
for a quart in under 7 minutes!  That compares most favorably with gas
and butane stoves.  The best of these, the MSR-XGK, supposedly will
bring a quart to boil in about 5 to 6 minutes.
	The great advantage of the Pocket Cooker is no worry about running out
of fuel and the total weight of your cooking setup.  The lightest gas
stove comes in at about a pound with some weighing as much as a pound
and half.  Then there’s the fuel.  Fuel for four to five days of cooking
(if used gingerly) weighs about two pounds.  With the Pocket Cooker, you
will not run out of fuel.  What you should do for emergencies when you
can’t find anything dry is carry fire starters, the kind  for starting
fires in woodburning fireplaces.  Carry about a half a pound of these,
or stock up on small twigs and pieces of dry wood.  You can also carry a
tube of Fire Ribbon, which weighs about half a pound.  Smear this on any
kind of wood, even wet, and you’ll get a roaring blaze.
	Another advantage of the Pocket Cooker is that it is a controlled
fire.  The last thing you want to be caught doing while commando camping
is to have an open fire.  It is certain to get you kicked out or
arrested in many areas.  With a fire contained in a closed environment,
you are more likely to get some admiring remarks than a “get the hell
out of here” condemnation.
	One or two warnings.  Like any wood fire it will blacken pots (which
many old timers say is great since a black bottom tends to draw more
heat for cooking or boiling a pot’s contents), more so than the gas and
butane does.  Another, of course, you will have more smoke.  But, the
Pocket Cooker is quite cozy to snuggle your hands up near for warmth. 
And, there is something about a wood fire that brings out the caveperson
in all of us.  Buy a couple to give to your friends as gifts.  It’s a
good emergency stove during hurricanes, earthquakes and all of those
other ways nature seems to be telling us who’s boss.
-----END REVIEW

What I could have added in the review was what we are talking about now,
not one worry about airline very valid safety regulations.

best,

ralph


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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wood burning Stove (was Carrying Stoves)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:04:26 EST
Ralph brings up a good option to consider.  Wood stoves.  Wood --- or almost any combustible material including straw and pine cones --- can be burned in another cooker, the Sierra Stove.  Really a wonderful invention, and, since it uses "external", indigenous fuel which you collect while you're camping, it should have no airline restrictions.  Essentially, it's a double lined fire pot that has a battery powered fan to increase the air flow into the fire bed, thus increasing the temperature of the fire and the amount of cooking heat generated.  Simple, relatively small and quite cheap.  Burns driftwood, and virtually anything else.

The best primer is to look at the well written and very readable "Sierra Stove Unofficial Web Site", http://yahi.csustan.edu/~gcrawfor/zip/zipstove.html.

Another great option to dino fueled stoves.

Jack Martin
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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wood burning Stove (was Carrying Stoves)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 11:46:32 -0800
Either of these wood stoves work well.  And each has some unique
advantage.  I have not tried the Sierra one.  It looks fine.  The
downsides are the battery and fan, some more things to break down;
limited fuel burning space since it feeds from the top and have to move
the pot out of the way and can use only relatively short pieces of fuel;
and inability to be totally collapsed flat like the Pocket Cooker can 
(as I mentioned in the review, whimsically, one of the things I liked
about the Pocket Cooker was it is folding kayak-like: collaspses down to
fit in a bag).  But there is no question that the Sierra Stove design
has technology going for it in the double wall and fan blown fire.  It
looks like, because of this, it would deal a bit better with wet wood
and twigs.

Clearly either makes for a second stove or one for air travel where you
don't want to risk yourself and others from the hazardous material you
are checking through or bring aboard.

ralph

JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote:
> 
> Ralph brings up a good option to consider.  Wood stoves.  Wood --- or almost any combustible material including straw and pine cones --- can be burned in another cooker, the Sierra Stove.  Really a wonderful invention, and, since it uses "external", indigenous fuel which you collect while you're camping, it should have no airline restrictions.  Essentially, it's a double lined fire pot that has a battery powered fan to increase the air flow into the fire bed, thus increasing the temperature of the fire and the amount of cooking heat generated.  Simple, relatively small and quite cheap.  Burns driftwood, and virtually anything else.
> 
> The best primer is to look at the well written and very readable "Sierra Stove Unofficial Web Site", http://yahi.csustan.edu/~gcrawfor/zip/zipstove.html.
> 
> Another great option to dino fueled stoves.
> 
> Jack Martin
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From: <F.SOETHE_at_oln.comlink.apc.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wood burning Stove (was Carrying Stoves)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 18:20:38 +0000
Ralph Diaz wrote:

> Either of these wood stoves work well.  And each has some unique
> advantage.  I have not tried the Sierra one.  It looks fine.  The
> downsides are the battery and fan, some more things to break down;
> limited fuel burning space since it feeds from the top and have to move
> the pot out of the way and can use only relatively short pieces of fuel;
> and inability to be totally collapsed flat like the Pocket Cooker can
> (as I mentioned in the review, whimsically, one of the things I liked
> about the Pocket Cooker was it is folding kayak-like: collaspses down to
> fit in a bag).  But there is no question that the Sierra Stove design
> has technology going for it in the double wall and fan blown fire.  It
> looks like, because of this, it would deal a bit better with wet wood
> and twigs.

So can anybody tell us about using the Pocket Cooker in wet conditions? From 
one of the first postings I concluded that lighting it is the only real 
problem and taking some dry wood along would take care of that.

If that's the case, I'd much prefer it to batteries and all the complexity 
of the Sierra. 

Are there any figures on how much longer the Pocket Stove takes for say a 
quart if you are burning wet wood?

Regards,
Ferdinand

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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wood burning Stove (was Carrying Stoves)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:08:13 -0500
>
>I got mine from Gander Mtn. but I don't have their catalog any more and
>I heard it had been dropped.  I see in Cabela's latest catalog that they
>have it now.

        Gander Mountain was bought out by Cabela's a few years ago.  They
retired the name....

JP


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From: Mark Balogh <batwing_at_kerrlake.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wood burning Stove (was Carrying Stoves)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 11:53:15 +0000
ralph diaz wrote:
> 
> I have been asked back channel and on Paddlewise about the wood burning
> stove I mentioned that is made in Israel.
> 
> I got mine from Gander Mtn. but I don't have their catalog any more and
> I heard it had been dropped.  I see in Cabela's latest catalog that they
> have it now.  Called the Pocket Cooker.  Item CA-51-2000, $17.95.
> 1-800-237-4444.  Website is http://www.cabelas.com but I have not
> checked if the item is listed there.

For you bargain hunters.  The Pocket Cooker is for sale now at
http://www.sportsmansguide.com for $12.95. Item CXO-22313


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From: Bob Volin <bobvolin_at_bestweb.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wood burning Stove (was Carrying Stoves)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:33:49 -0500
It's down to $9.97

>For you bargain hunters.  The Pocket Cooker is for sale now at
>http://www.sportsmansguide.com for $12.95. Item CXO-22313
>
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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wood burning Stove (was Carrying Stoves)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:33:46 EST
In a message dated 03/05/2000 9:42:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com writes:

<< Carry about a half a pound of these,
 or stock up on small twigs and pieces of dry wood.  >>

Sounds like mine.  Great idea to take some wood pieces that would burn 
nicely.  Tongue depressors, for example.  Tee hee, that way you can carry 
your "fuel" on board.

Sandy

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