Here's a couple of responses to the recent above captioned thread, grouped together for efficiency. I should also mention that my e-mail was full today with supportive confirmation and grateful thanks for the divulging of the rescue report to PW. I submitted the story with the knowledge I may loose financially and run the risk of cutting myself off from SK Magazine. To me, helping others immediately, learn from my mistakes outweighs most other considerations. At the risk of sticking my foot further in my mouth, I must respond to the non-back-channel stuff. Please delete or scroll down to next post if not interested, it is long: Dave Kruger said: >>There is much to reflect on in Doug's sobering narrative. <snip> Particularly vivid in my mind as I write is Doug's treatment of the dynamics among the threesome which lead to their fateful decision(s). Best stuff like that I've seen in sea kayaking literature. Thanks, Doug. May you paddle in peace. And, yessir, the "feelgood" patina of the popular paddling press won't accept a narrative like Doug's! Outside mag, maybe>> Thank you Dave. I was sincerely worried my post might have been an offence to respected paddlers like yourself who tend to shy away from needlessly machismo constructs like I normally post. I think right after the rescue, the three of us involved debriefed and agreed to work toward a published version utilizing an independent third party, as our versions would no doubt differ - even if just simply due to the ensuing confusion suffered during the rescue, from exhaustion - both mental and physical. I had originally wanted to write the story up (and could have), as I already had a working relationship with SK magazine. There was also an assumption of loyalty on my part, as I had made a commitment to myself to contribute worthwhile articles to SK for consideration (at least they don't devote gobs of space to run SUV reviews like Canoe and Kayak Magazine!). Right from the start, there was disagreement about how this should be done. Dave wanted to orchestrate the whole thing. I pursued Matt Broze, as I new him to be the most trusted person in the community to put together an unbiased version._I_ did that in concert with a serendipitous offer from Matt. This took some deliberate lobbying by me of the other two paddlers to get them to agree, as Matt tends to analyze things profusely. Matt realized, as I did, that there were just too many lessons in the rescue, not to let it suffer an ignoble end. SK safety write-ups have never really dealt with the group dynamics issue before - probably one of _the_ most important issues facing team paddle situations. SK agreed to the arrangement, giving Matt the go ahead, which implied a large cash commitment and many hours of resources from Matt and SK to coordinate the versions and satisfy everyone. I think SK would feel slighted by some of the PW comments, given the huge space they have earmarked for the story - so that all the details could be sussed out. I owe them an apology too, as I said they were "sitting" on the article. Their hands were tied, and I can't go into why, nor the historicity of the whole progression of occurrences. I did threaten them a few months ago, as I was originally going to approach Readers Digest and/or Outside Magazine with the story (I don't care too much for Paddler Mag.). It is within my right to do so, legally and otherwise, but I've wanted to remain faithful to SK and the decision that the three of us made. Dave's trust has been lost by my recounting the tale on PW, but I grew tired after a whole year of fiddle-farting around. My understanding from the other two guys and SK was that the story would be published in a timely fashion, with complete veracity. This did not appear to be happening, so I figured tacit agreements and other tenuous promises were off (though I didn't hit the "send" key with that fully in mind, nor maliciously - though I was upset with SK for not holding up their end on another journalistic item I had going with them). If other people are committed to safety and/or involved with preaching the safety message with the best interest of the paddling community at heart, a written version of this story did not need suppressing (for whatever reasons). PW is a group that I cherish. The help I received asking about my bad back (partially due to that long tow), overwhelmed me. Why would I not want to share with a group I respected (especially a newsgroup that can regurgitativley innovative a rehashing of the rudder vs skeg debate, etc ?). :-) I also cherish and love Andrew and David. I would die for each one of them without even having to think about it. That is why I unadvisedly mentioned personal glimpses of their relational lives at the end of my rescue report - because I was so happy for them. On the CBC interview I gave, I told the pesky reporter that I had wanted to "cut loose" Andrew from the tow, and rescue myself so I would be assured of seeing my two girls and wife again (6 mile crossings are a piece of cake to me - on my own terms), but then I said I couldn't obviously do that - that the bible says the greatest thing a man can do is lay down his life for a friend (the reporter cut me off at that point, probably figured I was a religious nut from the right; I'm actually an atypical Christian that thinks for himself). Andrew cried profusely once I entered the cabin of the wheel house on board the fish boat. After his "heat treatment" he was able to ambulate his words, and expressed deep, deep heartfelt thanks, with profuse tears, to me for saving his life with such a difficult tow. If that doesn't make print, I don't care. It was a cherished moment between two friends, forged through the fire of dire emergency. I will never forget the precious exchange via eye contact, before even the words were spoken. He _was_ mad at me about the interview though, later, as I made it sound like he didn't paddle at all - but that was due to the rapid fire nature of radio journalism. However, Dave said he was barely paddling toward the later part of the rescue, and that is when I got a bit more reacquainted with God again. Hope that isn't making anyone uncomfortable. So I stressed Dave out. Well, I have been awfully stressed too. You wanna know what, Doug Lloyd, the wild-side-guy, has only been out paddling FOUR times since last April. I hate to admit that on this list. I have a reputation to maintain, or Vince will supplant me! I just have had this weight on my shoulders for a year, with no closure in sight. I can't even complete my assignments for SK and Wavelegth magazines. I've repeatedly told this to SK and Dave, repeatedly, and hinted it to Matt. I had to unload it all the other night. I wasn't even getting my quotas at work. I now feel like a huge weight has been lifted. You guys know me from Paddlewise, I need to get things off my chest, and relaying via the print medium, even electronically, helps. Robert wrote: >> <snip> Maybe I've not met enough 5 star paddlers in my life. But the 5 star paddler Doug describes does not sound like any other 5 star I've ever met or even heard about. Five Star not only connotes competence in extreme conditions, but it also connotes leadership skills.>> Dave is an awesome paddler. If it was only me and him on the trip, we would have screamed down the coast, grins aplenty, and made the crossing before the weather closed-out. If it had only been me and Andrew, we would have used the extra time, and done the usual Pacific Northwest style of cruising, only paddling during good weather and smelling the roses along the way, recuperating and re energizing when needed. But the three of us was perhaps a bad combo, which was my original fear. A fourth person with a forceful personality or perhaps a logical female, may have helped, or could have made it worse. Dunno. I spoke with SK and Matt today (heck, am I an unpopular right now). I don't think inclusion of my version of the incident on PW should preclude their publishing of the rescue. In fact, I would hope Dave would want Matt's balanced version in to print as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, Dave can't read it yet, due to the post stress. Dave also has an SAR voice tape, given to him without precedent, of the entire expensive rescue. Dave is unable to review this material either, which is unfortunate, as it would clear up much of the second guessing Matt has had to do and even help with some of the current inaccuracies of the SK draft. We suffered badly on the trip and the crossing. Dave was almost pitch-poled back a number of times during the height of the gale, from the steep, open breaking waves (towing Andrew helped level out my boat and Andrew's to some degree, but the pitch and yaw with Dave's was terrible). Dave suffered more than anyone can imagine. 6 hours of that gale imprinted on his brain - he was cold, falling asleep, thinking he could die. I watched him, pumping his body, rocking side to side a bit with exhausted shoulders, white as a ghost, with his seams split - though he never told us at first, which was typical of out poor communication. Anyway, I doubt any one of you on this friendly list has ever experienced anything like that, or ever will, or can understand what he went through - or have the skills to handle a boat in those conditions. We both rolled a few times. I'm different though, I enjoy that kind of abuse -its my reason for living - I'm never as alive or fulfilled in my life as when I'm in those kind of situations. But I'm still sorry I didn't give Dave more time to deal with things, whatever the complex issues are. If the story never reaches a wider audience because of me and Paddlewise, then I have done the community a disservice. If I have brought in to a head, and closure ensues, then great. And please understand my graphic stream of consciousness retelling of the incident wasn't intended to hurt Dave or Andrew or suggest blame. Use of objectionable language is not part of my daily life. I was just telling it the way it went down. I always tell the truth on this list, keeping half truths and exaggerations expunged. Matt has another few thousand words to let you know how the other guys interpreted what they experienced and let readers know what a screw up I can be. Hope it becomes available. Regardless, I'm going kayaking once a week now, back to my first love, my "church" where I find spiritual sustenance and my sanity. I will also never let anyone orchestrate my life again. BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Wed Apr 12 2000 - 00:14:34 PDT
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